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People being good at their jobs isn't the only thing that matters if you're working under their direction. Especially if they're also a large part of the compan

People being good at their jobs isn't the only thing that matters if you're working under their direction. Especially if they're also a large part of the company's public image. If people are uncomfortable with their CEO eating meat then they should be free to ask about it and voice their opinions. If the CEO wants to change anything because of that is entirely up to him/her, just like how people are free to resign if they feel strongly enough about it.

g8oz 8y ago
>>If people are uncomfortable with their CEO eating meat then they should be free to ask about it and voice their opinions. But really, who would be that obnoxious?
- Dancecity 8y ago
  Is this sarcasm or have you never met vegans?
  - throwawaymanbot 8y ago
    what an over generalization...
- lillesvin 8y ago
  I only used the "eat meat" example because the guy I replied to did. A better one, IMO, would be "arguing against companies having to pay taxes because the employees already pay income taxes". My CEO has said something akin to that on multiple occasions and I'll keep challenging him on it because I strongly disagree. That doesn't mean I expect him to change but I do expect him to defend his standpoint. There's nothing wrong with challenging people on different topics, lots of healthy and fruitful discussions can come of that, it's just the "don't be obnoxious and entitled about it" part that seems to not resonate with some people but I think that's an entirely different issue.
kamaal 8y ago
>>If people are uncomfortable with their CEO eating meat then they should be free to ask about it and voice their opinions. Expecting a person A to change their way of life, for an inconsequential act, because other person B completely irrelevant to A or A action's feels 'uncomfortable', then B has way over stepped in feeling entitled to what they want from life and society. You don't get to dictate what religion some one should practice, or what kind of clothes they should wear, or economic system they should believe or what kind of politics they like. Unless they force you to do as they like, they are free to hold whatever opinions they like. Just like you do. This whole thing about people wanting to control other people's life. And then claiming to victims of 'offence' and 'discomfort', when the other person doesn't comply to their dictation is the root cause of political problems today. Nobody owes you anything, others are welcome to live their life as they like, just as you do.
- lillesvin 8y ago
  You conveniently left out the part just after what you quoted that said: "If the CEO wants to change anything because of that is entirely up to him/her [...]" I didn't say—nor did I mean to imply—that anyone should "change their way of life", "dictate what religion some one[sic] should practice" or "wanting to control other people's life". I said, and I very literally meant, "they should be free to ask about it and voice their opinions". That's how we discuss things and gain insight into how other people think and feel about stuff. If my boss does something that goes against every moral fiber in my body (especially if he does it in his capacity as a public face of the company) I think it's fair that I voice my opinion—even more so in companies where employees are told that "we are the company"—and if he wants to listen and have a dialog about it, cool, and if not, well... If it's bad enough, maybe I'll have to start looking for another job, or I'll just have to learn to live with it. Saying that no one is allowed to challenge someone else's opinion is both counter-productive and dangerous.
  - fareesh 8y ago
    Note: I wrote the parent comment for this discussion - not the guy you are replying to, but I wanted to chime in. In line with what I was saying earlier - when I work, I care about what the folks I am working with are like - at work. At home or in their personal time, they can do whatever they please, it is none of my business. Why has the culture become such that this seems to be everyone's business? Is it because there is more sharing of people's lives on social media? Not everyone is okay with that. Some people want their personal lives and opinions to be their own. Not everyone has put their life out there for likes and reactions - yet it seems to be the default assumption that people are fair game to be judged for what they do on their own time. In India, where I live, we constantly fight against a culture that is in favor of moral policing. Just last week a Hindu girl got arrested here for spending time with a Muslim man. The cops were eventually suspended, but that is one example (for the sake of this discussion) of the kinds of problems we have in the culture I live in. These folks you are talking about aren't simply "voicing an opinion" they are working to destroy this executive's career. They may not be detaining him against his will, but they are like those cops in my country - who are taking action against someone who doesn't share their worldviews in their personal life. Why is this ok?
fareesh 8y ago
> Especially if they're also a large part of the company's public image. Why should an intelligent citizenry judge a company based on the dietary preferences of someone working there? That sounds a lot like judging a religion based on one person's actions, and those kinds of principles must not be entertained in a fair and tolerant society. Why should an intelligent citizenry not speak up against those who cry outrage for baseless reasons?

g8oz 8y ago

>>If people are uncomfortable with their CEO eating meat then they should be free to ask about it and voice their opinions. But really, who would be that obnoxious?

Dancecity 8y ago
Is this sarcasm or have you never met vegans?
- throwawaymanbot 8y ago
  what an over generalization...
lillesvin 8y ago
I only used the "eat meat" example because the guy I replied to did. A better one, IMO, would be "arguing against companies having to pay taxes because the employees already pay income taxes". My CEO has said something akin to that on multiple occasions and I'll keep challenging him on it because I strongly disagree. That doesn't mean I expect him to change but I do expect him to defend his standpoint. There's nothing wrong with challenging people on different topics, lots of healthy and fruitful discussions can come of that, it's just the "don't be obnoxious and entitled about it" part that seems to not resonate with some people but I think that's an entirely different issue.

kamaal 8y ago

>>If people are uncomfortable with their CEO eating meat then they should be free to ask about it and voice their opinions. Expecting a person A to change their way of life, for an inconsequential act, because other person B completely irrelevant to A or A action's feels 'uncomfortable', then B has way over stepped in feeling entitled to what they want from life and society. You don't get to dictate what religion some one should practice, or what kind of clothes they should wear, or economic system they should believe or what kind of politics they like. Unless they force you to do as they like, they are free to hold whatever opinions they like. Just like you do. This whole thing about people wanting to control other people's life. And then claiming to victims of 'offence' and 'discomfort', when the other person doesn't comply to their dictation is the root cause of political problems today. Nobody owes you anything, others are welcome to live their life as they like, just as you do.

lillesvin 8y ago
You conveniently left out the part just after what you quoted that said: "If the CEO wants to change anything because of that is entirely up to him/her [...]" I didn't say—nor did I mean to imply—that anyone should "change their way of life", "dictate what religion some one[sic] should practice" or "wanting to control other people's life". I said, and I very literally meant, "they should be free to ask about it and voice their opinions". That's how we discuss things and gain insight into how other people think and feel about stuff. If my boss does something that goes against every moral fiber in my body (especially if he does it in his capacity as a public face of the company) I think it's fair that I voice my opinion—even more so in companies where employees are told that "we are the company"—and if he wants to listen and have a dialog about it, cool, and if not, well... If it's bad enough, maybe I'll have to start looking for another job, or I'll just have to learn to live with it. Saying that no one is allowed to challenge someone else's opinion is both counter-productive and dangerous.
- fareesh 8y ago
  Note: I wrote the parent comment for this discussion - not the guy you are replying to, but I wanted to chime in. In line with what I was saying earlier - when I work, I care about what the folks I am working with are like - at work. At home or in their personal time, they can do whatever they please, it is none of my business. Why has the culture become such that this seems to be everyone's business? Is it because there is more sharing of people's lives on social media? Not everyone is okay with that. Some people want their personal lives and opinions to be their own. Not everyone has put their life out there for likes and reactions - yet it seems to be the default assumption that people are fair game to be judged for what they do on their own time. In India, where I live, we constantly fight against a culture that is in favor of moral policing. Just last week a Hindu girl got arrested here for spending time with a Muslim man. The cops were eventually suspended, but that is one example (for the sake of this discussion) of the kinds of problems we have in the culture I live in. These folks you are talking about aren't simply "voicing an opinion" they are working to destroy this executive's career. They may not be detaining him against his will, but they are like those cops in my country - who are taking action against someone who doesn't share their worldviews in their personal life. Why is this ok?

fareesh 8y ago

> Especially if they're also a large part of the company's public image. Why should an intelligent citizenry judge a company based on the dietary preferences of someone working there? That sounds a lot like judging a religion based on one person's actions, and those kinds of principles must not be entertained in a fair and tolerant society. Why should an intelligent citizenry not speak up against those who cry outrage for baseless reasons?