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Companies don’t give vehement denials like this unless they’re telling the truth. People claiming gag orders are crazy, mostly for thinking that Apple, or anyon

Companies don’t give vehement denials like this unless they’re telling the truth. People claiming gag orders are crazy, mostly for thinking that Apple, or anyone else for that matter, would ever sign a document forcing them to lie to their customers (I’m not saying they wouldn’t lie, just that they wouldn’t sign anything that would force them to do so).

ItsMe000001 8y ago
That makes no sense. What do you think is the difference in "denial levels"? Kind of like Dragonball-Z power levels? Does a "vehement denial" cost the one making it any more than a "meek denial"? If making "vehement denials", coming at exactly the same cost as less strong denials, are more effective, you would just have made all PR companies/people extremely happy - they get a stringer weapon for free. All the have to do is issue "vehement denials" instead of just "denials" and a larger share of the population believes them (for no valid reason). Especially when the public has no way to get the "real truth" but can only watch a Dragonball-Z style "strong statement" vs "incredibly strong statement" showdown. > People claiming gag orders are crazy, mostly for thinking that Apple, or anyone else for that matter, would ever sign a document forcing them to lie to their customers Why do you think a "gag order" is something that has to be signed off on by the one getting it? That too does not make any sense. An order is issued by someone who has more power, here, the government. You don't have to sign anything for the order to exist. "Gag order" has "order" right in the name.
- miracle2k 8y ago
  Maybe vehemence isn't the right measure. It would be better to say specificity. "The allegations are false" leaves more wiggle room then to say "we don't have a business relationship with Suoermicro and a Company called Apple doesn't even exist".
- brorfred 8y ago
  I saw figures that Bloomberg had 17 sources for this story. For that to in nay way be realistic, this must be a deliberate leak by the US government. Why would they put such a strong gag order on Apple/Amazon and then leak the information themselves? It makes no sense.
  - ItsMe000001 8y ago
    Then it would make no sense for it to not be true either, unless one assumes the government to spread lies to damage those companies, which also makes no sense.
parliament32 8y ago
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ItsMe000001 8y ago

That makes no sense. What do you think is the difference in "denial levels"? Kind of like Dragonball-Z power levels? Does a "vehement denial" cost the one making it any more than a "meek denial"? If making "vehement denials", coming at exactly the same cost as less strong denials, are more effective, you would just have made all PR companies/people extremely happy - they get a stringer weapon for free. All the have to do is issue "vehement denials" instead of just "denials" and a larger share of the population believes them (for no valid reason). Especially when the public has no way to get the "real truth" but can only watch a Dragonball-Z style "strong statement" vs "incredibly strong statement" showdown. > People claiming gag orders are crazy, mostly for thinking that Apple, or anyone else for that matter, would ever sign a document forcing them to lie to their customers Why do you think a "gag order" is something that has to be signed off on by the one getting it? That too does not make any sense. An order is issued by someone who has more power, here, the government. You don't have to sign anything for the order to exist. "Gag order" has "order" right in the name.

miracle2k 8y ago
Maybe vehemence isn't the right measure. It would be better to say specificity. "The allegations are false" leaves more wiggle room then to say "we don't have a business relationship with Suoermicro and a Company called Apple doesn't even exist".
brorfred 8y ago
I saw figures that Bloomberg had 17 sources for this story. For that to in nay way be realistic, this must be a deliberate leak by the US government. Why would they put such a strong gag order on Apple/Amazon and then leak the information themselves? It makes no sense.
- ItsMe000001 8y ago
  Then it would make no sense for it to not be true either, unless one assumes the government to spread lies to damage those companies, which also makes no sense.

parliament32 8y ago

https://www.theverge.com/2013/6/6/4404112/nsa-prism-surveillance-apple-facebook-google-respond https://www.theverge.com/2013/6/6/4404112/nsa-prism-surveill...