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Freedom to offend, hell yes. But there is an issue when someone is directly inciting to hatred and violence against targeted groups or individuals. That sort o
by KozmoNau7 8y ago
Freedom to offend, hell yes.
But there is an issue when someone is directly inciting to hatred and violence against targeted groups or individuals. That sort of betavior needs to be acted against. The problem then is that the hatemongers actively try to skirt as close as they possibly can to the line without crossing it, with dogwhistle terms and other tricks.
I don't have a perfect solution, and I don't think we'll find one. When you've literally got people calling for named individuals to be thrown from planes, that is clearly out of bounds, though.
- SamReidHughes 8y agoYou should directly incite hatred towards groups that deserve it.
- KozmoNau7 8y agoBut then who gets to decide which groups deserve to be legitimate targets for hatred? Exactly, you cannot do that without bias.
- SamReidHughes 8y agoNobody. People are perfectly capable of taking your content and disliking a group, or disapproving of the group. And the other way around. If you can't say things that cause people to hate a group, you can't say anything critical of it.
- KozmoNau7 8y agoIt's one thing to be critical or have disagreeing opinions. It's something entirely to call for persecution and violence.
- SamReidHughes 8y agoThat's not how "hate" speech laws get applied, so I don't think you're arguing in good faith.
- chmln 8y agoYes, its an issue, but I think you'd agree that legislating speech and expression in any way is a slippery slope. > The problem then is that the hatemongers The problem is also that one man's hatemonger is another man's preacher of truth, and what constitutes "hate" is not always objective. Policing speech would be a perfect way for political actors to abuse the law and jail their opponents for wrongthink
- KozmoNau7 8y agoWhen I say "hatemongers", I specifically mean the type of people who call for people to "gas the Jews" or "exterminate all trans people", that sort of direct unequivocal hate and incitement of violence.
- SamReidHughes 8y agoThat surely omits establishment-approved violence like "attack Iraq", "round up criminals", "{legalize|outlaw} abortion" and "[sterilize] transgender children".
- tracker1 8y agoDo you really want Donald Trump deciding what is hate speech and prosecuting violators?