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> However, when it comes to actually achieving adoption, it’s the platform that developers flock to that tend to succeed, all else being equal. Perhaps, but I

> However, when it comes to actually achieving adoption, it’s the platform that developers flock to that tend to succeed, all else being equal. Perhaps, but I struggle to think of two comparable platforms with similar user adoption and significantly different developer interest, outside of there being different sets of developers that hate/love each (c.f. iOS and Android). I'm definitely not aware of any examples indicating a platform can be saved or damned by developers loving/hating it: e.g. most developers hated developing for the PS3 initially but it didn't fare badly in the console wars. Xbox One however did do much worse than the PS4 because fewer users wanted it.

lelandbatey 8y ago
Arguably, Linux owning the back end development space so completely is due to developer preference. But I think you do have a point. It's not just developer preference, there are other big factors like feature offered and ease of entry that determine likelihood of success.
- baq 8y ago
  > Arguably, Linux owning the back end development space so completely is due to developer preference. and why is that possible? it's because the backend is decoupled from where the users are.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    Because commercial UNIX companies decided it was cheaper to commoditize UNIX on their hardware than keeping on investing on their own. Linux would hardly be where it is without the help of Intel, IBM, HP, SGI, Hollywood studios, ...
    - baq 8y ago
      completely agree. i'm just saying it mostly isn't found on the desktop, neither on the iphone and you could argue neither really on android, so not in places where 'normal people' look. these people don't look at the backend so developers are free to pick whatever they want - Linux, Windows, unikernels, it doesn't matter for the end user.
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        Which is also one of the reasons why GNU/Linux failed as desktop OS. The lack of focus on UI/UX and a full stack experience for frontend developers (native/web). Hence why Android and ChromeOS succeed at it, while hiding what kernel they run on.
adim86 8y ago
Windows Phone is a platform that died cause developers did not get it. I think the issue I have with your PS3 example is that it is PS3, PlayStation was already on its third iteration. With PS2 being one of the most successful consoles of all time, companies were baked into that ecosystem. Whatever Playstation gave them, they had to work with, they fed their families that way. But I agree with the comment above. Developers support platforms (That are not yet popular) because they find it inspiring, they, in turn, give feedback to what they dislike about the platform, and if the platform has good management and responds quickly, developers work to grow that platform out. All great platforms I know today are because the company behind them inspired developers on what they could achieve using it.

lelandbatey 8y ago

Arguably, Linux owning the back end development space so completely is due to developer preference. But I think you do have a point. It's not just developer preference, there are other big factors like feature offered and ease of entry that determine likelihood of success.

baq 8y ago
> Arguably, Linux owning the back end development space so completely is due to developer preference. and why is that possible? it's because the backend is decoupled from where the users are.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  Because commercial UNIX companies decided it was cheaper to commoditize UNIX on their hardware than keeping on investing on their own. Linux would hardly be where it is without the help of Intel, IBM, HP, SGI, Hollywood studios, ...
  - baq 8y ago
    completely agree. i'm just saying it mostly isn't found on the desktop, neither on the iphone and you could argue neither really on android, so not in places where 'normal people' look. these people don't look at the backend so developers are free to pick whatever they want - Linux, Windows, unikernels, it doesn't matter for the end user.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Which is also one of the reasons why GNU/Linux failed as desktop OS. The lack of focus on UI/UX and a full stack experience for frontend developers (native/web). Hence why Android and ChromeOS succeed at it, while hiding what kernel they run on.

adim86 8y ago

Windows Phone is a platform that died cause developers did not get it. I think the issue I have with your PS3 example is that it is PS3, PlayStation was already on its third iteration. With PS2 being one of the most successful consoles of all time, companies were baked into that ecosystem. Whatever Playstation gave them, they had to work with, they fed their families that way. But I agree with the comment above. Developers support platforms (That are not yet popular) because they find it inspiring, they, in turn, give feedback to what they dislike about the platform, and if the platform has good management and responds quickly, developers work to grow that platform out. All great platforms I know today are because the company behind them inspired developers on what they could achieve using it.