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If you carefully read the article, it is very much not about the "What if 100% of assets were indexed" argument you often see. It's about what happens as more a

If you carefully read the article, it is very much not about the "What if 100% of assets were indexed" argument you often see. It's about what happens as more and more assets are robotically allocated via algorithms. Matt Levine is not a clickbait writer, and he deals seriously with the arbitrage-seeking nature of capital markets including robots which will seek to dominate by predicting what the winners will be. I think the article deserves a fuller and fairer reading than your comment indicates you've given it.

qubax 8y ago
> Matt Levine is not a clickbait writer Come on. Enough of this. For some odd reason, every week there is a levine article here and every time someone goes out of their way to praise levine. The guy works for bloomberg. Clickbait is part of nature of the beast whether you think levine is great or not. Is levine a writer or a cult leader. What's with all the worship?
- tanderson92 8y ago
  Maybe he is praised because he is a good and thoughtful finance writer. And if there’s any financial news site which would have an incentive to avoid clickbait it would be Bloomberg because it’s subsidized by the rents it extracts from its terminal and data business, and this is one service they provide to those customers so they have an incentive to provide value.
  - qubax 8y ago
    > Maybe he is praised because he is a good and thoughtful finance writer. Could be. But there are a lot of good and thoughtful finance writers. I don't see their articles spammed here on the weekly like clockwork along with the fawning worship. It's almost like the article is just posted to talk about how great levine is and not the actual article. Just seems odd to me that's all. > And if there’s any financial news site which would have an incentive to avoid clickbait it would be Bloomberg because it’s subsidized by the rents it extracts from its terminal and data business, and this is one service they provide to those customers so they have an incentive to provide value. I'm well aware of what bloomberg is.
    - tanderson92 8y ago
      You responded to the only phrase of my original comment that had to do with Levine the person. If this is your concern, perhaps you could have chosen to substantively engage with the article?
loeg 8y ago
Levine is great, but the headline (both the ones in the article, and the one here especially — which differ) suggest that there is no middle ground between status quo five years ago and 100% index funds, no active investors at all. (Often journalists don't get to write their own headlines.) I.e., grandparent commenter is responding reasonably to the headline, if not the article itself.
- yodon 8y ago
  It's fine to comment on a headline but it's generally considered bad form here on HN to comment based just on reading the headline.
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- ucaetano 8y ago
  Not really, 2/3rds of the entire article, plus the title and subtitle are about index funds: > Are Index Funds Communist? > But when those thoughtful active analysts are replaced with passive index funds, the market stops serving that function. > Indexing is cheaper, yes, but that's because active management has positive externalities, and if no one will pay for it, those benefits will disappear. > But more fundamentally, there is an alternative view that the rise of passive investing will improve capital allocation > The passive investors can't influence relative prices > Their worry is that the growth in passive and quasi-passive products > Or I guess pure indexing -- everyone passively throws money at everything that there is, with no judgment at all -- is an imaginable fourth answer, and is strictly worse than the others.
  - tanderson92 8y ago
    As I explained elsewhere to you, not all passive or quasi-passive money is in indexed products. And furthermore, reading the article as I encouraged you originally to do, reveals it is not about index funds.
  - loeg 8y ago
ucaetano 8y ago
> It's about what happens as more and more assets are robotically allocated via algorithms. Algorithms don't have anything to do with index funds. And again, as more and more funds move to index funds, the returns on active managed funds will increase due to information asymmetry, and the market will move towards an equilibrium. The allocation between index and active is a continuum, not a step function.
- tanderson92 8y ago
  Yes but this article is really not about index funds which is why it’s fine that algorithms play a prominent role in the article.
  - ucaetano 8y ago
    No? > Are Index Funds Communist? > But when those thoughtful active analysts are replaced with passive index funds, the market stops serving that function. > Indexing is cheaper, yes, but that's because active management has positive externalities, and if no one will pay for it, those benefits will disappear. > But more fundamentally, there is an alternative view that the rise of passive investing will improve capital allocation > The passive investors can't influence relative prices > Their worry is that the growth in passive and quasi-passive products > Or I guess pure indexing -- everyone passively throws money at everything that there is, with no judgment at all -- is an imaginable fourth answer, and is strictly worse than the others.
    - tanderson92 8y ago
      This is a very poor way to think about what the central thesis of an article is.
      - ucaetano 8y ago
        Yeah, I guess that when the title, subtitle, and half of the entire article are about index funds, the article isn't about index funds.

qubax 8y ago

> Matt Levine is not a clickbait writer Come on. Enough of this. For some odd reason, every week there is a levine article here and every time someone goes out of their way to praise levine. The guy works for bloomberg. Clickbait is part of nature of the beast whether you think levine is great or not. Is levine a writer or a cult leader. What's with all the worship?

tanderson92 8y ago
Maybe he is praised because he is a good and thoughtful finance writer. And if there’s any financial news site which would have an incentive to avoid clickbait it would be Bloomberg because it’s subsidized by the rents it extracts from its terminal and data business, and this is one service they provide to those customers so they have an incentive to provide value.
- qubax 8y ago
  > Maybe he is praised because he is a good and thoughtful finance writer. Could be. But there are a lot of good and thoughtful finance writers. I don't see their articles spammed here on the weekly like clockwork along with the fawning worship. It's almost like the article is just posted to talk about how great levine is and not the actual article. Just seems odd to me that's all. > And if there’s any financial news site which would have an incentive to avoid clickbait it would be Bloomberg because it’s subsidized by the rents it extracts from its terminal and data business, and this is one service they provide to those customers so they have an incentive to provide value. I'm well aware of what bloomberg is.
  - tanderson92 8y ago
    You responded to the only phrase of my original comment that had to do with Levine the person. If this is your concern, perhaps you could have chosen to substantively engage with the article?

loeg 8y ago

Levine is great, but the headline (both the ones in the article, and the one here especially — which differ) suggest that there is no middle ground between status quo five years ago and 100% index funds, no active investors at all. (Often journalists don't get to write their own headlines.) I.e., grandparent commenter is responding reasonably to the headline, if not the article itself.

yodon 8y ago
It's fine to comment on a headline but it's generally considered bad form here on HN to comment based just on reading the headline.
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ucaetano 8y ago
Not really, 2/3rds of the entire article, plus the title and subtitle are about index funds: > Are Index Funds Communist? > But when those thoughtful active analysts are replaced with passive index funds, the market stops serving that function. > Indexing is cheaper, yes, but that's because active management has positive externalities, and if no one will pay for it, those benefits will disappear. > But more fundamentally, there is an alternative view that the rise of passive investing will improve capital allocation > The passive investors can't influence relative prices > Their worry is that the growth in passive and quasi-passive products > Or I guess pure indexing -- everyone passively throws money at everything that there is, with no judgment at all -- is an imaginable fourth answer, and is strictly worse than the others.
- tanderson92 8y ago
  As I explained elsewhere to you, not all passive or quasi-passive money is in indexed products. And furthermore, reading the article as I encouraged you originally to do, reveals it is not about index funds.
- loeg 8y ago

ucaetano 8y ago

> It's about what happens as more and more assets are robotically allocated via algorithms. Algorithms don't have anything to do with index funds. And again, as more and more funds move to index funds, the returns on active managed funds will increase due to information asymmetry, and the market will move towards an equilibrium. The allocation between index and active is a continuum, not a step function.

tanderson92 8y ago
Yes but this article is really not about index funds which is why it’s fine that algorithms play a prominent role in the article.
- ucaetano 8y ago
  No? > Are Index Funds Communist? > But when those thoughtful active analysts are replaced with passive index funds, the market stops serving that function. > Indexing is cheaper, yes, but that's because active management has positive externalities, and if no one will pay for it, those benefits will disappear. > But more fundamentally, there is an alternative view that the rise of passive investing will improve capital allocation > The passive investors can't influence relative prices > Their worry is that the growth in passive and quasi-passive products > Or I guess pure indexing -- everyone passively throws money at everything that there is, with no judgment at all -- is an imaginable fourth answer, and is strictly worse than the others.
  - tanderson92 8y ago
    This is a very poor way to think about what the central thesis of an article is.
    - ucaetano 8y ago
      Yeah, I guess that when the title, subtitle, and half of the entire article are about index funds, the article isn't about index funds.