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It's absolutely baffling how so many seemingly educated, knowledgeable people such as those found in tech can support these anti-user practices via their suppor

It's absolutely baffling how so many seemingly educated, knowledgeable people such as those found in tech can support these anti-user practices via their support of Apple's products. It goes further than just Apple's hardware products: some people prefer to build "Hackintosh" systems (OSX running on non-Apple hardware) and a common problem is dealing with wifi-adapter whitelists. Why would you ever want to consider using an OS that imposes such arbitrary restrictions on you?

toasterlovin 8y ago
Because, statistically speaking, 0% of the population wants to tinker with their computer. Neither you nor anybody else on this website is normal.
- paavoova 8y ago
  Yes, and this applies outside of computers, to cars, etc. But the PC/PC gaming enthusiast market is probably some appreciable percentage of the population. And people building Hackintoshes are certainly tinkering with their computer and hardware in the process - yet they tolerate, or even accept, Apple's vendor lock-in enough to use their OS.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  The problem is that it's not 0% its more like 2-3% and most want repairs at a reasonable rate that is enabled by a robust market and available parts without weird restrictions like those put upon official sanctioned shops.
- mmontagna9 8y ago
  Tell that to my 70 year old grandmother who has replaced both the motherboard and hard drive in her Lenovo desktop. If you design a somewhat reasonably easy to repair computer people are more than happy to fix it themselves. It's only because of the difficulty of repairing apple products that people shy away from the idea.
  - toasterlovin 8y ago
    Or maybe your 70 year old grandmother is a several standard deviation outlier and that has something to do with you commenting on this website, which is frequented by several standard deviation outliers.
syntheticcdo 8y ago
The WiFi adapter whitelists are in the BIOS of the hardware, not OSX.
atemerev 8y ago
Because, other than these restrictions, macOS is _that good_. Or was. I moved to Fedora on my desktop since then, but I do miss macOS often.
jeroenhd 8y ago
The WiFi adapter restrictions are either the result of hardware restrictions (the UEFI firmware not allowing a different device) or a lack of drivers (there's no macs with Intel PCI WiFi cards so Intel doesn't have any MacOS drivers). Although there's plenty of reasons to critisise MacOS restrictions, the WiFi hardware issue is not one of Apple's faults.
- wilsonnb3 8y ago
  Yeah my Thinkpad X220, a model generally loved by Apple critics, also has a WiFi card whitelist in the bios.
Aaargh20318 8y ago
> It's absolutely baffling how so many seemingly educated, knowledgeable people such as those found in tech can support these anti-user practices via their support of Apple's products. It's probably to do with the T2 chip which among other things handles full-disk encryption and TouchID. It seems extremely likely that this is for security reasons. If I had the choice, I would choose security over the ability to tinker with my hardware any day.

toasterlovin 8y ago

Because, statistically speaking, 0% of the population wants to tinker with their computer. Neither you nor anybody else on this website is normal.

paavoova 8y ago
Yes, and this applies outside of computers, to cars, etc. But the PC/PC gaming enthusiast market is probably some appreciable percentage of the population. And people building Hackintoshes are certainly tinkering with their computer and hardware in the process - yet they tolerate, or even accept, Apple's vendor lock-in enough to use their OS.
michaelmrose 8y ago
The problem is that it's not 0% its more like 2-3% and most want repairs at a reasonable rate that is enabled by a robust market and available parts without weird restrictions like those put upon official sanctioned shops.
mmontagna9 8y ago
Tell that to my 70 year old grandmother who has replaced both the motherboard and hard drive in her Lenovo desktop. If you design a somewhat reasonably easy to repair computer people are more than happy to fix it themselves. It's only because of the difficulty of repairing apple products that people shy away from the idea.
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  Or maybe your 70 year old grandmother is a several standard deviation outlier and that has something to do with you commenting on this website, which is frequented by several standard deviation outliers.

syntheticcdo 8y ago

The WiFi adapter whitelists are in the BIOS of the hardware, not OSX.

atemerev 8y ago

Because, other than these restrictions, macOS is _that good_. Or was. I moved to Fedora on my desktop since then, but I do miss macOS often.

jeroenhd 8y ago

The WiFi adapter restrictions are either the result of hardware restrictions (the UEFI firmware not allowing a different device) or a lack of drivers (there's no macs with Intel PCI WiFi cards so Intel doesn't have any MacOS drivers). Although there's plenty of reasons to critisise MacOS restrictions, the WiFi hardware issue is not one of Apple's faults.

wilsonnb3 8y ago
Yeah my Thinkpad X220, a model generally loved by Apple critics, also has a WiFi card whitelist in the bios.

Aaargh20318 8y ago

> It's absolutely baffling how so many seemingly educated, knowledgeable people such as those found in tech can support these anti-user practices via their support of Apple's products. It's probably to do with the T2 chip which among other things handles full-disk encryption and TouchID. It seems extremely likely that this is for security reasons. If I had the choice, I would choose security over the ability to tinker with my hardware any day.