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It's not about avoiding marketing. It's about ownership and control. If I want my stuff to be analysed- I let that happen- it finds business or social matches-

It's not about avoiding marketing. It's about ownership and control. If I want my stuff to be analysed- I let that happen- it finds business or social matches- awesome. I just need the option to turn that off for things I don't want greped- like banking. I too am in favor of paid for services. Because that is what happens eventually. You pay for it. I'd rather make a decision and choose who I pay, as opposed to having my choices and VIEW-OF-THE-WORLD limited because everything is "free" but funded by marketing.

jacquesm 8y ago
I would love to 'own' all my data. But companies offering services will win out because they do not have to play nice with you or your data store. Take Gmail, Facebook or Google docs as examples. In principle that's your data. But Gmail has successfully convinced people that Google is able to run its mail service better than you or your corporation ever could. In return for 'reading your mail', and vast amounts of corporations and individuals seem to believe them. Ditto for Facebook and yet another encore for Google docs. Once established economies of scale and network effects will do the rest. A new system would have to fix a lot more than just the security angle because it is well known that security is always going to be secondary to convenience, a factor that large entities will find much easier to control than many small ones. So, I really hope they will manage but I'm not going to hold my breath until they do. Note this comes from a guy that does not have a Facebook account, no smartphone, runs his own web and mail server.
- gibsonf1 8y ago
  The big recent change with the free paradigm is that trust in privacy has been lost with these massive data silos. In fact, you could argue that we are now at the beginning of the end of this entire approach to the web. George Gilder exposes the nearing end of this in his latest book "Life after Google" https://www.amazon.com/Life-After-Google-Blockchain-Economy-ebook/dp/B072NYKG2G/ref=sr_1_1_twi_kin_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1538696018&sr=8-1&keywords=gilder+google https://www.amazon.com/Life-After-Google-Blockchain-Economy-... I definitely recommend it.
- Kostchei 8y ago
  The answer, as I see it, to this, is transparent decryption via federated ledgers. That way the data is not just "available". Note- the big guys (facebook, google) could trick/force individuals into handing over keys, but if you make the keys per object this becomes less effective for the same big guys. In a sense, there is no control without encryption. Still cogitating the various hows, but transparency to the user is the key.
- fjsolwmv 8y ago
  What is going to prevent everyone on Solid from getting constantly hacked by 0-day bugs and all their data read?
  - jacquesm 8y ago
    Wrong thread?

jacquesm 8y ago

I would love to 'own' all my data. But companies offering services will win out because they do not have to play nice with you or your data store. Take Gmail, Facebook or Google docs as examples. In principle that's your data. But Gmail has successfully convinced people that Google is able to run its mail service better than you or your corporation ever could. In return for 'reading your mail', and vast amounts of corporations and individuals seem to believe them. Ditto for Facebook and yet another encore for Google docs. Once established economies of scale and network effects will do the rest. A new system would have to fix a lot more than just the security angle because it is well known that security is always going to be secondary to convenience, a factor that large entities will find much easier to control than many small ones. So, I really hope they will manage but I'm not going to hold my breath until they do. Note this comes from a guy that does not have a Facebook account, no smartphone, runs his own web and mail server.

gibsonf1 8y ago
The big recent change with the free paradigm is that trust in privacy has been lost with these massive data silos. In fact, you could argue that we are now at the beginning of the end of this entire approach to the web. George Gilder exposes the nearing end of this in his latest book "Life after Google" https://www.amazon.com/Life-After-Google-Blockchain-Economy-ebook/dp/B072NYKG2G/ref=sr_1_1_twi_kin_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1538696018&sr=8-1&keywords=gilder+google https://www.amazon.com/Life-After-Google-Blockchain-Economy-... I definitely recommend it.
Kostchei 8y ago
The answer, as I see it, to this, is transparent decryption via federated ledgers. That way the data is not just "available". Note- the big guys (facebook, google) could trick/force individuals into handing over keys, but if you make the keys per object this becomes less effective for the same big guys. In a sense, there is no control without encryption. Still cogitating the various hows, but transparency to the user is the key.
fjsolwmv 8y ago
What is going to prevent everyone on Solid from getting constantly hacked by 0-day bugs and all their data read?
- jacquesm 8y ago
  Wrong thread?