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A belief that it’s creater later discovered was in err.

Nadya 8y ago
Ryan Dahl has only spoken about implementation details and poor decisions made at the start that are too far along to correct now. He says Go is better than Node, not Javascript. If Javascript-as-a-server was a mistake then Ryan would not be working on Deno [0]. I just hope that the use of Py2 and having to stick with it doesn't bite them in the ass past 2020 [1]. With the caveat of my argument assuming "Typescript is a superset of Javascript." [0] https://github.com/denoland/deno https://github.com/denoland/deno [1] https://github.com/denoland/deno/issues/464#issuecomment-411795578 https://github.com/denoland/deno/issues/464#issuecomment-411...
- nebulous1 8y ago
  I don't see (from that issue, this is the first I've heard of it) that they "have to stick with it". They're saying they won't try to move to python 3 until the V8 build does. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
- aaronblohowiak 8y ago
  https://mappingthejourney.com/single-post/2017/08/31/episode-8-interview-with-ryan-dahl-creator-of-nodejs/ https://mappingthejourney.com/single-post/2017/08/31/episode... >That said, I think Node is not the best system to build a massive server web. I would definitely use Go for that. And honestly, that's basically the reason why I left Node. It was the realization that: oh, actually, this is not the best server side system ever.
  - Nadya 8y ago
    Node is not JavaScript. E: To clarify on this a little since I'm not posting from a phone. Which means he's still using Javascript-as-a-server (Deno), so he obviously still has some faith in using Javascript-as-a-server. Go > Node, in his opinion, but that says nothing about Go > Javascript.
nebulous1 8y ago
Oh? Is that why he's still at it to this very day? https://github.com/denoland/deno https://github.com/denoland/deno
- aaronblohowiak 8y ago
  Iiuc, his goal for this is to create a better experience for one off exploratory stuff, not for evented servers. http://tinyclouds.org/jsconf2018.pdf http://tinyclouds.org/jsconf2018.pdf
  - nebulous1 8y ago
    well, from that document: > My problems with Node are almost entirely around > how it manages user code. > In contrast to the focus on evented I/O early on, > the module system was essentially an afterthought > With this in mind, I have long thought about how it > could be done better....

Ryan Dahl has only spoken about implementation details and poor decisions made at the start that are too far along to correct now. He says Go is better than Node, not Javascript. If Javascript-as-a-server was a mistake then Ryan would not be working on Deno [0]. I just hope that the use of Py2 and having to stick with it doesn't bite them in the ass past 2020 [1]. With the caveat of my argument assuming "Typescript is a superset of Javascript." [0] https://github.com/denoland/deno https://github.com/denoland/deno [1] https://github.com/denoland/deno/issues/464#issuecomment-411795578 https://github.com/denoland/deno/issues/464#issuecomment-411...

nebulous1 8y ago
I don't see (from that issue, this is the first I've heard of it) that they "have to stick with it". They're saying they won't try to move to python 3 until the V8 build does. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
aaronblohowiak 8y ago
https://mappingthejourney.com/single-post/2017/08/31/episode-8-interview-with-ryan-dahl-creator-of-nodejs/ https://mappingthejourney.com/single-post/2017/08/31/episode... >That said, I think Node is not the best system to build a massive server web. I would definitely use Go for that. And honestly, that's basically the reason why I left Node. It was the realization that: oh, actually, this is not the best server side system ever.
- Nadya 8y ago
  Node is not JavaScript. E: To clarify on this a little since I'm not posting from a phone. Which means he's still using Javascript-as-a-server (Deno), so he obviously still has some faith in using Javascript-as-a-server. Go > Node, in his opinion, but that says nothing about Go > Javascript.

nebulous1 8y ago

Oh? Is that why he's still at it to this very day? https://github.com/denoland/deno https://github.com/denoland/deno

aaronblohowiak 8y ago
Iiuc, his goal for this is to create a better experience for one off exploratory stuff, not for evented servers. http://tinyclouds.org/jsconf2018.pdf http://tinyclouds.org/jsconf2018.pdf
- nebulous1 8y ago
  well, from that document: > My problems with Node are almost entirely around > how it manages user code. > In contrast to the focus on evented I/O early on, > the module system was essentially an afterthought > With this in mind, I have long thought about how it > could be done better....