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Look, to do science you have to believe the world outside your head can be observed; and if you are ready to trust the rickety and convoluted stack that encodes

Look, to do science you have to believe the world outside your head can be observed; and if you are ready to trust the rickety and convoluted stack that encodes pulses from a keyboard into photons from a screen to accurately convey information, then gravity waves have been observed and match predictions for black holes exactly. If you want to stick to reading Gorgias of Leontini that is fine, but please don't bother the rest of us that do accept the world outside as real.

oldandtired 8y ago
You miss the point of what I am saying. Observations are being made, but is the given explanation actually meaningful? The universe is real. This does not mean that our explanations or interpretations are "truth". The problem I have with the current mindset is that it trends to treating others with a different viewpoint, model or theory as being unworthy of consideration, to be treated as pariahs, imbeciles, crackpots, heretics, to be hunted down and assassinated. We should be accepting that our models and theories are both incomplete and wrong, irrespective of how useful they are. Every model and theory has its points of failure. That should be expected and is not a problem. Starting from that basis, we keep investigating to get better models or theories that help us gain a better insight into the universe around us. If that means giving up one model for something completely else, then what's the problem. Our universe is beautiful, complex, a place of incredible wonder that we can have an exciting time exploring and discovery. There is a vast difference between the reality of the universe and what our models and theories are. The first is the territory, the second is only a map and maps can be notoriously faulty. In regards to your reference to Gorgias of Leontini, I had to look that up. I chuckled. Is it possible that some of the "superstars" of science today are modern students of him?

oldandtired 8y ago

You miss the point of what I am saying. Observations are being made, but is the given explanation actually meaningful? The universe is real. This does not mean that our explanations or interpretations are "truth". The problem I have with the current mindset is that it trends to treating others with a different viewpoint, model or theory as being unworthy of consideration, to be treated as pariahs, imbeciles, crackpots, heretics, to be hunted down and assassinated. We should be accepting that our models and theories are both incomplete and wrong, irrespective of how useful they are. Every model and theory has its points of failure. That should be expected and is not a problem. Starting from that basis, we keep investigating to get better models or theories that help us gain a better insight into the universe around us. If that means giving up one model for something completely else, then what's the problem. Our universe is beautiful, complex, a place of incredible wonder that we can have an exciting time exploring and discovery. There is a vast difference between the reality of the universe and what our models and theories are. The first is the territory, the second is only a map and maps can be notoriously faulty. In regards to your reference to Gorgias of Leontini, I had to look that up. I chuckled. Is it possible that some of the "superstars" of science today are modern students of him?