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For the folks commenting below that we should bring the manufacturing back to the US, why wouldn't the bad guys just start bribing American workers to insert th

For the folks commenting below that we should bring the manufacturing back to the US, why wouldn't the bad guys just start bribing American workers to insert the attack hardware into devices made here? It's not like Americans are somehow above being bribed.

assblaster 8y ago
Americans can be bribed to do anything. However, you don't really need to bribe or ask someone to betray their country and fellow citizens when it's done on Chinese soil...
lev99 8y ago
The bad actors could be brought to trial in a United States court, which is a level of deterrent not included in offshore manufacturing. If a US manufacturer was found selling tampered chips then the company itself could be held liable. This would create a general pressure to increase onsight security. There are other benefits to us based manufacturing, but you only brought up the crime aspect so I will leave the other benefits unsaid.
s73v3r_ 8y ago
It's possible, but it's much, much, much easier for an American company to hold another American company accountable when something like this happens. Instead of having to go through all those hoops, you sue the pants off the manufacturer.
pfschell 8y ago
Ignoring the abject amorality and greed that underpins Chinese culture will leave one confused like this.
- roguecoder 8y ago
  I think people here are just suggesting that the folks who believe producing things in America would avoid a culture of abject amorality and greed seem naive, at best. Even ignoring the current obvious examples, Americans frequently engage in profitable criminal behavior: https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-monopoly-game-rigged-scam-report-2018-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-monopoly-game-rigg...
- dang 8y ago
  Nationalistic slurs will get you banned here. Please don't stoop to that again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

assblaster 8y ago

Americans can be bribed to do anything. However, you don't really need to bribe or ask someone to betray their country and fellow citizens when it's done on Chinese soil...

lev99 8y ago

The bad actors could be brought to trial in a United States court, which is a level of deterrent not included in offshore manufacturing. If a US manufacturer was found selling tampered chips then the company itself could be held liable. This would create a general pressure to increase onsight security. There are other benefits to us based manufacturing, but you only brought up the crime aspect so I will leave the other benefits unsaid.

s73v3r_ 8y ago

It's possible, but it's much, much, much easier for an American company to hold another American company accountable when something like this happens. Instead of having to go through all those hoops, you sue the pants off the manufacturer.

pfschell 8y ago

Ignoring the abject amorality and greed that underpins Chinese culture will leave one confused like this.

roguecoder 8y ago
I think people here are just suggesting that the folks who believe producing things in America would avoid a culture of abject amorality and greed seem naive, at best. Even ignoring the current obvious examples, Americans frequently engage in profitable criminal behavior: https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-monopoly-game-rigged-scam-report-2018-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-monopoly-game-rigg...
dang 8y ago
Nationalistic slurs will get you banned here. Please don't stoop to that again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html