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It seems a bit nieve to think that you need to have an above average IQ to make it into Middleclass society.

annabellish 8y ago
IQ is a garbage measurement that isn't predictive of future results, yes. It's more the hard work and sacrifice part I'm disagreeing with.
- debacle 8y ago
  IQ is highly predictive of future outcomes. Where are you getting you data from?
  - annabellish 8y ago
    IQ is highly predictive of the outcomes of future IQ tests, and to a degree academic performance (though much of academic measurement is based on similar theories, so this is unsurprising) There's much less corellation when you consider "future success" in terms of things like job performance, financial success, happiness, et cetera. IQ is obviously measuring something, because IQ tests are quite reliable, but the thing it's measuring does not seem to show a strong corellation with a lot of real-world goals. It's one of those measurements that people _want_ to use a lot, and so it sees a lot of use, but the idea that you can boil general intelligence down to one number is fallacious to begin with, so many of the things it's used for are not useful. This is literally one of the things the post we're commenting on is saying. High IQ people are not automatically successful and whatever effect high IQ may or may not have on future success is easily lost in other, more significant, factors.
    - debacle 8y ago
      > whatever effect high IQ may or may not have on future success is easily lost in other, more significant, factors. IQ correlates with income more than any other factor. When you take away the correlation between socioeconomic situation and IQ (which admittedly there is), it correlates even more. High IQ people are not automatically successful in the same way that tall people are not automatically basketball players. You're making a lot of claims contrary to generally accepted research. It's invaluable, and not in the good way.
astura 8y ago
The comment you are replying to was not saying that.
mywittyname 8y ago
A person who manages to accumulate a million dollars is far beyond middle class and a wage of 2x the median household income is well beyond middle class.

IQ is a garbage measurement that isn't predictive of future results, yes. It's more the hard work and sacrifice part I'm disagreeing with.

debacle 8y ago
IQ is highly predictive of future outcomes. Where are you getting you data from?
- annabellish 8y ago
  IQ is highly predictive of the outcomes of future IQ tests, and to a degree academic performance (though much of academic measurement is based on similar theories, so this is unsurprising) There's much less corellation when you consider "future success" in terms of things like job performance, financial success, happiness, et cetera. IQ is obviously measuring something, because IQ tests are quite reliable, but the thing it's measuring does not seem to show a strong corellation with a lot of real-world goals. It's one of those measurements that people _want_ to use a lot, and so it sees a lot of use, but the idea that you can boil general intelligence down to one number is fallacious to begin with, so many of the things it's used for are not useful. This is literally one of the things the post we're commenting on is saying. High IQ people are not automatically successful and whatever effect high IQ may or may not have on future success is easily lost in other, more significant, factors.
  - debacle 8y ago
    > whatever effect high IQ may or may not have on future success is easily lost in other, more significant, factors. IQ correlates with income more than any other factor. When you take away the correlation between socioeconomic situation and IQ (which admittedly there is), it correlates even more. High IQ people are not automatically successful in the same way that tall people are not automatically basketball players. You're making a lot of claims contrary to generally accepted research. It's invaluable, and not in the good way.

astura 8y ago

The comment you are replying to was not saying that.

mywittyname 8y ago

A person who manages to accumulate a million dollars is far beyond middle class and a wage of 2x the median household income is well beyond middle class.