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Don't waste your time, he's a troll that pops up on every thread that has anything to do with things like docker or k8s. It doesn't matter what the problem is,

Don't waste your time, he's a troll that pops up on every thread that has anything to do with things like docker or k8s. It doesn't matter what the problem is, smartos is the solution. SmartOS is solid technology, but he doesn't have the slightest clue what k8s does, but is completely certain that smartos somehow does "the same thing" better. They aren't even mutually exclusive, there's no reason you couldn't write a CRI backend to run k8s on top of zones on smartos.

Annatar 8y ago
"Don't waste your time, he's a troll that pops up on every thread that has anything to do with things like docker or k8s." Thank you for an off-topic opinion. Yes, I do "pop up" on every Kubernetes and Docker topic because both are nothing but hype and bullshit (this topic with "no thanks" is a rare exception, and I wholeheartedly agree with the author of it, even though I vehemently disagree with some of his methods). What the hell do I need an "orchestrator" like Kubernetes for if all my components are packaged and I have a software deployment server where I can mass deploy to all my systems at will? (Hint: I don't.) Kubernetes is a solution to a string of bad decisions, making the situation even worse. And Kubernetes is nothing but a provisioning solution. If you think Kubernetes is an orchestrator, you've never seen one. Nolio is an orchestrator. So what if Joyent has Kubernetes support? Joyent isn't infallible, just because they make SmartOS that doesn't make them right in everything. It's not like they can do no wrong. Let's refrain from fanboyism; being Joyent doesn't automatically make them right in everything they do.
- justinsaccount 8y ago
  > he doesn't have the slightest clue what k8s does, but is completely certain that smartos somehow does "the same thing" better. I stand by this statement. You don't have any idea what k8s does. If you actually cared about convincing people that you don't need k8s and smartos is better, you'd write your own article describing in detail how you can easily use smartos for running personal projects on a 3 node cluster. Put up or shut up. YOU are nothing but hype.
  - Annatar 8y ago
    "If you actually cared about convincing people that you don't need k8s and smartos is better, you'd write your own article describing in detail how you can easily use smartos for running personal projects on a 3 node cluster." How about you read the documentation, where it's already documented? You know, that thing called manual pages? On illumos-based operating systems we have manual pages which are actually useful. With detailed examples in the EXAMPLES section! And lots of them! So, how about you "warm up the chair" and read some docs for a change? Thanks. If you need some pointers, I can help you where to start. "Put up or shut up." You or anyone else may not tell me what to do, nor will I listen to you unless I feel like it. Which I don't.
- dang 8y ago
  The personal attack wasn't ok, but please don't "pop up" on every thread to say predictable things. Pre-existing agendas are tedious, and tedium is what we all come here to avoid.
  - Annatar 8y ago
    If we're here to avoid pre-existing agendas, then Docker and Kubernetes promotional articles tick every box on the "tedious" agenda. The best part is, the article is about "no thanks" to Kubernetes, which I wholeheartedly agree with and have stuck to commenting relevantly to the topic, backed up by plenty of citations.
    - yebyen 8y ago
      I mentioned our talk to my coworker, his immediate response was "does he work for Oracle?" I'm only half seriously asking but, do you? (Given the certifications you mentioned, I think that even if you don't, there is a vague subjective case that you do...)
      - dang 8y ago
        This comment breaks the site guidelines. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here.
        yebyen 8y ago
        I apologise, I thought that was a fair question and civil... The missing context from another comment was: > ... amount of institutional inertia I've come up against while trying to get any part of our Development or Production stack shifted over to Kubernetes, which I consider myself fairly expert in, I think you'd understand that "containers on Solaris" is not going to go over any better for me than containers on GNU/Linux, Both SmartOS and GNU/Linux are open platforms, so it really wasn't fair of me to accuse a person of shilling for Oracle. I think I understand. (That wasn't my intention, but if you read it that way, that's my mistake.)
dang 8y ago
Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please make your points without stooping to that in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- justinsaccount 8y ago
  I suppose my comment appears harsh if you haven't seen month after month of his "smartos solves every problem and linux users are too stupid to know how to computer properly" type comments. read the guys bio: > There exist no words in any of the languages I speak which can express my hate of GNU and GNU/Linux. > I was raised on IRIX, HP-UX and Solaris. Huge illumos / SmartOS fan and FreeBSD sympathizer. It's hard not to attack someone personally when their entire persona is tied to promoting a particular technology every chance they get. The funny thing is all of his comments do absolutely nothing to convince anyone that smartos is worth looking at, which is a shame because it's actually quite nice.
  - dang 8y ago
    Hard but doable. If you think someone is abusing HN, the thing to do is email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it.
  - Annatar 8y ago
    "There exist no words in any of the languages I speak which can express my hate of GNU and GNU/Linux." And I stand by that statement: if I didn't, it wouldn't be on my biography. I think it's fair and honest disclosure, rather than philosophy and playing with words. I mean what I say and I say what I mean. Still, ad hominem attacks on someone with an opposing view do little to further your argument; at best, it comes across as nothing but opinion. For my part, I provided citations to make my point. I regret that you didn't seem to read through them before answering.

Annatar 8y ago

"Don't waste your time, he's a troll that pops up on every thread that has anything to do with things like docker or k8s." Thank you for an off-topic opinion. Yes, I do "pop up" on every Kubernetes and Docker topic because both are nothing but hype and bullshit (this topic with "no thanks" is a rare exception, and I wholeheartedly agree with the author of it, even though I vehemently disagree with some of his methods). What the hell do I need an "orchestrator" like Kubernetes for if all my components are packaged and I have a software deployment server where I can mass deploy to all my systems at will? (Hint: I don't.) Kubernetes is a solution to a string of bad decisions, making the situation even worse. And Kubernetes is nothing but a provisioning solution. If you think Kubernetes is an orchestrator, you've never seen one. Nolio is an orchestrator. So what if Joyent has Kubernetes support? Joyent isn't infallible, just because they make SmartOS that doesn't make them right in everything. It's not like they can do no wrong. Let's refrain from fanboyism; being Joyent doesn't automatically make them right in everything they do.

justinsaccount 8y ago
> he doesn't have the slightest clue what k8s does, but is completely certain that smartos somehow does "the same thing" better. I stand by this statement. You don't have any idea what k8s does. If you actually cared about convincing people that you don't need k8s and smartos is better, you'd write your own article describing in detail how you can easily use smartos for running personal projects on a 3 node cluster. Put up or shut up. YOU are nothing but hype.
- Annatar 8y ago
  "If you actually cared about convincing people that you don't need k8s and smartos is better, you'd write your own article describing in detail how you can easily use smartos for running personal projects on a 3 node cluster." How about you read the documentation, where it's already documented? You know, that thing called manual pages? On illumos-based operating systems we have manual pages which are actually useful. With detailed examples in the EXAMPLES section! And lots of them! So, how about you "warm up the chair" and read some docs for a change? Thanks. If you need some pointers, I can help you where to start. "Put up or shut up." You or anyone else may not tell me what to do, nor will I listen to you unless I feel like it. Which I don't.
dang 8y ago
The personal attack wasn't ok, but please don't "pop up" on every thread to say predictable things. Pre-existing agendas are tedious, and tedium is what we all come here to avoid.
- Annatar 8y ago
  If we're here to avoid pre-existing agendas, then Docker and Kubernetes promotional articles tick every box on the "tedious" agenda. The best part is, the article is about "no thanks" to Kubernetes, which I wholeheartedly agree with and have stuck to commenting relevantly to the topic, backed up by plenty of citations.
  - yebyen 8y ago
    I mentioned our talk to my coworker, his immediate response was "does he work for Oracle?" I'm only half seriously asking but, do you? (Given the certifications you mentioned, I think that even if you don't, there is a vague subjective case that you do...)
    - dang 8y ago
      This comment breaks the site guidelines. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here.
      - yebyen 8y ago
        I apologise, I thought that was a fair question and civil... The missing context from another comment was: > ... amount of institutional inertia I've come up against while trying to get any part of our Development or Production stack shifted over to Kubernetes, which I consider myself fairly expert in, I think you'd understand that "containers on Solaris" is not going to go over any better for me than containers on GNU/Linux, Both SmartOS and GNU/Linux are open platforms, so it really wasn't fair of me to accuse a person of shilling for Oracle. I think I understand. (That wasn't my intention, but if you read it that way, that's my mistake.)

dang 8y ago

Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please make your points without stooping to that in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

justinsaccount 8y ago
I suppose my comment appears harsh if you haven't seen month after month of his "smartos solves every problem and linux users are too stupid to know how to computer properly" type comments. read the guys bio: > There exist no words in any of the languages I speak which can express my hate of GNU and GNU/Linux. > I was raised on IRIX, HP-UX and Solaris. Huge illumos / SmartOS fan and FreeBSD sympathizer. It's hard not to attack someone personally when their entire persona is tied to promoting a particular technology every chance they get. The funny thing is all of his comments do absolutely nothing to convince anyone that smartos is worth looking at, which is a shame because it's actually quite nice.
- dang 8y ago
  Hard but doable. If you think someone is abusing HN, the thing to do is email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it.
- Annatar 8y ago
  "There exist no words in any of the languages I speak which can express my hate of GNU and GNU/Linux." And I stand by that statement: if I didn't, it wouldn't be on my biography. I think it's fair and honest disclosure, rather than philosophy and playing with words. I mean what I say and I say what I mean. Still, ad hominem attacks on someone with an opposing view do little to further your argument; at best, it comes across as nothing but opinion. For my part, I provided citations to make my point. I regret that you didn't seem to read through them before answering.