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That's an illusion. People can comprehend paper voting on a source code level, in that they know what should happen in theory. No single person can even fully o

by Strom 8y ago

That's an illusion. People can comprehend paper voting on a source code level, in that they know what should happen in theory. No single person can even fully observe a single counting station, much less a whole election. You still end up having to trust the system.

gsich 8y ago
It's not. People can comprehend paper voting on "source code level" aswell as the "compiled" version. >No single person can even fully observe a single counting station, much less a whole election. First is possible (just observe the person whos counting), second not, for obvious reasons that you can't be at two places at once.
- Strom 8y ago
  > just observe the person whos counting .. and trust the votes to all be real? A person voting could put two votes instead of one. (It can still look like one, using the same method that's used for card tricks.) Even if you introduce extra steps, like every paper needing a stamp or something, you're still going to need to trust this stamper person. They could be in on it, and either stamp multiple or leak the stamp design. The staff could be inserting fake votes into the ballot box before it gets counted, even without actual voters. The counters could add votes from their sleeves, again classic card trick mechanics. The counters can remove votes from the pile by stacking two or just sliding one off the table while also performing a distraction. Once again, classic magic trick mechanics that are used for vanishing jewelry etc. Basically my point is that if the counting station is being staffed by magicians from Vegas, they can produce any result they want without an average person that's observing understanding anything. Besides, at the end of the day it doesn't even matter, because one counting station is within the margin of error for the whole election.

4 ms·

That's an illusion. People can comprehend paper voting on a source code level, in that they know what should happen in theory. No single person can even fully o

by Strom 8y ago

gsich 8y ago
It's not. People can comprehend paper voting on "source code level" aswell as the "compiled" version. >No single person can even fully observe a single counting station, much less a whole election. First is possible (just observe the person whos counting), second not, for obvious reasons that you can't be at two places at once.
- Strom 8y ago
  > just observe the person whos counting .. and trust the votes to all be real? A person voting could put two votes instead of one. (It can still look like one, using the same method that's used for card tricks.) Even if you introduce extra steps, like every paper needing a stamp or something, you're still going to need to trust this stamper person. They could be in on it, and either stamp multiple or leak the stamp design. The staff could be inserting fake votes into the ballot box before it gets counted, even without actual voters. The counters could add votes from their sleeves, again classic card trick mechanics. The counters can remove votes from the pile by stacking two or just sliding one off the table while also performing a distraction. Once again, classic magic trick mechanics that are used for vanishing jewelry etc. Basically my point is that if the counting station is being staffed by magicians from Vegas, they can produce any result they want without an average person that's observing understanding anything. Besides, at the end of the day it doesn't even matter, because one counting station is within the margin of error for the whole election.