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> Having lambdas made C# cool in 2007, but it's not 2007 anymore and that the four features you listed are probably the important new features I can think of s

> Having lambdas made C# cool in 2007, but it's not 2007 anymore and that the four features you listed are probably the important new features I can think of since 2007 is why I like C# a lot less today. It's not lambdas but expression trees that are the key feature that made LINQ possible. That is pretty unique feature among programming languages. So you might want to reevaluate your opinion about "table stakes features".

eropple 8y ago
Seeing as how every use of expression trees I've ever seen in C# is something like "try in vain to make it so people don't have to understand SQL", perhaps you will forgive me for not being particularly impressed by it. I view C#'s expression tree stuff as a neat experiment. It's cool. But it doesn't and shouldn't change one's programming life.
- manigandham 8y ago
  Perhaps that's just what you've seen then and not really representative? For example the Roslyn compiler service written in C# uses expression trees to do what it does, and it opens up an entire field of possibilities for meta programming in C#. > But it doesn't and shouldn't change one's programming life. What's an example of something that would?
- balfirevic 8y ago
  Nice moving the goalpost there (table stakes -> changing one's programming life).
  - eropple 8y ago
    I uh. I don't think any goalposts have moved? When introduced, stuff like lambdas and the libraries that could build on them did do exactly that. But they're table stakes today, in 2018. Where's the movement?
    - balfirevic 8y ago
      Expression trees, as they are in C#, have never become table stakes and remain pretty unique and advanced language feature. When I and several other commenters pointed that out, you sad something like "yeah, but they don't exactly change programmers life". That's called moving the goalpost.
      - eropple 8y ago
        I mean, if you choose to ungenerously parse it as "table stakes" being the important part of the comment instead of, yanno, that these things that are table stakes are the thing that people actually care about in that whole ball of features, sure? Hermes Conrad is not aspirational, my guy.

eropple 8y ago

Seeing as how every use of expression trees I've ever seen in C# is something like "try in vain to make it so people don't have to understand SQL", perhaps you will forgive me for not being particularly impressed by it. I view C#'s expression tree stuff as a neat experiment. It's cool. But it doesn't and shouldn't change one's programming life.

manigandham 8y ago
Perhaps that's just what you've seen then and not really representative? For example the Roslyn compiler service written in C# uses expression trees to do what it does, and it opens up an entire field of possibilities for meta programming in C#. > But it doesn't and shouldn't change one's programming life. What's an example of something that would?
balfirevic 8y ago
Nice moving the goalpost there (table stakes -> changing one's programming life).
- eropple 8y ago
  I uh. I don't think any goalposts have moved? When introduced, stuff like lambdas and the libraries that could build on them did do exactly that. But they're table stakes today, in 2018. Where's the movement?
  - balfirevic 8y ago
    Expression trees, as they are in C#, have never become table stakes and remain pretty unique and advanced language feature. When I and several other commenters pointed that out, you sad something like "yeah, but they don't exactly change programmers life". That's called moving the goalpost.
    - eropple 8y ago
      I mean, if you choose to ungenerously parse it as "table stakes" being the important part of the comment instead of, yanno, that these things that are table stakes are the thing that people actually care about in that whole ball of features, sure? Hermes Conrad is not aspirational, my guy.