5 ms·

Sedans in general have cratered. Everyone is back to buying SUVs and Trucks. Its like we are going back to 1999.

prawn 8y ago
That's my gutfeel too. Seems like a very unfashionable format here in Australia. People buy SUVs, 4WDs (Pajero, Landcruiser), utes (trucks) and hatches. Sedans and "station wagons" are on the out.
threeseed 8y ago
Proof of this: http://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-05/sick-of-sedans-u-s-car-sales-seen-falling-to-recession-levels http://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-05/sick-of-sedans...
partiallypro 8y ago
Most people don't buy SUV's, they buy "crossovers" which pack the capacity of an SUV but get way way better gas mileage. As for Trucks, they have improved considerably in gas mileage as well. But the SUV is mostly false, SUVs have bitten the dust, crossovers like Rav4, Outback, etc have taken over. Even in luxury brands, I see tons of BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar crossovers. They look nice.
- bgorman 8y ago
  I'm pretty sure the Rav4 is considered a SUV. I don't think the Outback is a crossover. Subaru's main crossover seems to be the XV.
  - Phrodo_00 8y ago
    He might be classifying anything monocoque as a crossover, but I don't think that's the common definition.
  - partiallypro 8y ago
    Toyota lists it as a crossover https://www.toyota.com/crossovers/ https://www.toyota.com/crossovers/ KBB lists the Outback, Crosstrek etc as crossovers https://www.kbb.com/subaru/crossovers/ https://www.kbb.com/subaru/crossovers/ When I think SUV, I think Tahoe, Sequoia, Escalade, Suburban, etc. Compact SUVs are SUVs in name only imo. You pretty much never see a traditional SUV on the road anymore.
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
redwood 8y ago
The Model 3 is kind of in a unique category. It looks a like it's half way between sedan and crossover.
Someone1234 8y ago
An SUV sold today has as good or better MpG than a sedan sold in 1999. For example the 1999 Subaru Legacy is 22 city / 29 highway. A 2019 Subaru Outback has 25 city / 32 highway, 2019 Forester 26 city / 33 highway. Their brand new and huge three row Subaru Ascent is 21 city / 27 highway, just 1 MpG less. Granted not all SUVs are this fuel efficient, but they're definitely better than they were in the 1990s. Most of the vehicles with legitimately bad fuel efficiency like the Nissan Xterra (16 city / 22 highway) got discontinued.

That's my gutfeel too. Seems like a very unfashionable format here in Australia. People buy SUVs, 4WDs (Pajero, Landcruiser), utes (trucks) and hatches. Sedans and "station wagons" are on the out.

threeseed 8y ago

Proof of this: http://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-05/sick-of-sedans-u-s-car-sales-seen-falling-to-recession-levels http://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-05/sick-of-sedans...

partiallypro 8y ago

Most people don't buy SUV's, they buy "crossovers" which pack the capacity of an SUV but get way way better gas mileage. As for Trucks, they have improved considerably in gas mileage as well. But the SUV is mostly false, SUVs have bitten the dust, crossovers like Rav4, Outback, etc have taken over. Even in luxury brands, I see tons of BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar crossovers. They look nice.

bgorman 8y ago
I'm pretty sure the Rav4 is considered a SUV. I don't think the Outback is a crossover. Subaru's main crossover seems to be the XV.
- Phrodo_00 8y ago
  He might be classifying anything monocoque as a crossover, but I don't think that's the common definition.
- partiallypro 8y ago
  Toyota lists it as a crossover https://www.toyota.com/crossovers/ https://www.toyota.com/crossovers/ KBB lists the Outback, Crosstrek etc as crossovers https://www.kbb.com/subaru/crossovers/ https://www.kbb.com/subaru/crossovers/ When I think SUV, I think Tahoe, Sequoia, Escalade, Suburban, etc. Compact SUVs are SUVs in name only imo. You pretty much never see a traditional SUV on the road anymore.
deleted 8y ago
[deleted]
deleted 8y ago
[deleted]

redwood 8y ago

The Model 3 is kind of in a unique category. It looks a like it's half way between sedan and crossover.

Someone1234 8y ago

An SUV sold today has as good or better MpG than a sedan sold in 1999. For example the 1999 Subaru Legacy is 22 city / 29 highway. A 2019 Subaru Outback has 25 city / 32 highway, 2019 Forester 26 city / 33 highway. Their brand new and huge three row Subaru Ascent is 21 city / 27 highway, just 1 MpG less. Granted not all SUVs are this fuel efficient, but they're definitely better than they were in the 1990s. Most of the vehicles with legitimately bad fuel efficiency like the Nissan Xterra (16 city / 22 highway) got discontinued.