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They have built a single, forward looking, camera system on an Android platform and are using python for the control system. No serious auto manufacturer would

by maym86 8y ago

They have built a single, forward looking, camera system on an Android platform and are using python for the control system. No serious auto manufacturer would trust a system like that for vehicle safety. It's a less reliable version of the lane keeping systems that the automotive manufacturers already have and nothing close to the autonomous system that George Hotz was promising would be easy a few years back. I also doubt automotive manufacturers want to deal with the drama around comma.ai and its publicity given they have a reputation to maintain as serious, safety conscious, organizations.

samfisher83 8y ago
For all current LKAS systems you need to pay attention to the road including the Tesla. The LKAS most manufactures use aren't that good.
- maym86 8y ago
  Comma.ai has the same constraints. No monocular camera system works without careful user supervision. Even lidar based systems are not that reliable yet that you could trust them to the point of not paying attention.
leesec 8y ago
As far as quality goes it's way more reliable. Most of the "advanced" driver assistance systems would kill you within a minute if you left the car to their control. What they have now is a Devkit that is level 2, which they are using to iterate on, gather data, gather feedback, and will ultimately ship a much more complete consumer friendly product. It's really the only option for hobbyists and enthusiasts to get self driving capabilities today without 50k+.
- maym86 8y ago
  > As far as quality goes it's way more reliable. Most of the "advanced" driver assistance systems would kill you within a minute if you left the car to their control. Do you have any evidence/studies for either of these statements? > It's really the only option for hobbyists and enthusiasts to get self driving capabilities today without 50k+. Right. It's not a serious automotive grade safety system.
  - leesec 8y ago
    Sure. Go on a highway with your stock LKAS/ACC on your Toyota/Honda/Mercedes/mostSystems and don't touch the wheel or gas/brakes, and see how long before you feel the need to intervene. Now do the same with Comma's Openpilot.
    - rjeli 8y ago
      lol, don’t bother. HNers have no idea of the sorry state of the “””industry”””
      - maym86 8y ago
        I work in the industry and am scptical of even the big players ability to deliver on the promises they made 3-5 years ago including waymo and cruise.
        rjeli 8y ago
        yep, I agree.
        maym86 8y ago
        Right now everyone has a proof of concept demo and people are pouring money in. It's going to take a while and I really can't see a company like comma.ai being a serious player given their approach but maybe I'm wrong. Good luck to them, I hope nobody gets hurt.
      - dang 8y ago
        Maybe not, but please don't post unsubstantive disses here. That only makes this place worse. Instead, if you know more, share some of what you know so we can all learn something. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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by maym86 8y ago

samfisher83 8y ago

For all current LKAS systems you need to pay attention to the road including the Tesla. The LKAS most manufactures use aren't that good.

maym86 8y ago
Comma.ai has the same constraints. No monocular camera system works without careful user supervision. Even lidar based systems are not that reliable yet that you could trust them to the point of not paying attention.

leesec 8y ago

As far as quality goes it's way more reliable. Most of the "advanced" driver assistance systems would kill you within a minute if you left the car to their control. What they have now is a Devkit that is level 2, which they are using to iterate on, gather data, gather feedback, and will ultimately ship a much more complete consumer friendly product. It's really the only option for hobbyists and enthusiasts to get self driving capabilities today without 50k+.

maym86 8y ago
> As far as quality goes it's way more reliable. Most of the "advanced" driver assistance systems would kill you within a minute if you left the car to their control. Do you have any evidence/studies for either of these statements? > It's really the only option for hobbyists and enthusiasts to get self driving capabilities today without 50k+. Right. It's not a serious automotive grade safety system.
- leesec 8y ago
  Sure. Go on a highway with your stock LKAS/ACC on your Toyota/Honda/Mercedes/mostSystems and don't touch the wheel or gas/brakes, and see how long before you feel the need to intervene. Now do the same with Comma's Openpilot.
  - rjeli 8y ago
    lol, don’t bother. HNers have no idea of the sorry state of the “””industry”””
    - maym86 8y ago
      I work in the industry and am scptical of even the big players ability to deliver on the promises they made 3-5 years ago including waymo and cruise.
      - rjeli 8y ago
        yep, I agree.
        maym86 8y ago
        Right now everyone has a proof of concept demo and people are pouring money in. It's going to take a while and I really can't see a company like comma.ai being a serious player given their approach but maybe I'm wrong. Good luck to them, I hope nobody gets hurt.
    - dang 8y ago
      Maybe not, but please don't post unsubstantive disses here. That only makes this place worse. Instead, if you know more, share some of what you know so we can all learn something. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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