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>Americans don't want to do back-breaking manual labor for a living This makes me wonder... Autonomy is the biggest hurdle for these technologies and manual l

by cptaj 8y ago

>Americans don't want to do back-breaking manual labor for a living This makes me wonder... Autonomy is the biggest hurdle for these technologies and manual labor is the reason they are needed. Why aren't we meeting halfway and using remote controlled robots instead of autonomous ones? That way workers could do the job from anywhere in the world without having to break a sweat and you'd only need a fraction of the investment to get it running.

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
I assume the tech isn't there, but mechanical turk for manual labour sounds like a fun concept, in a black mirror sort of way. Can't wait for Uber to try to solve its self driving cars with this.
abrichr 8y ago
See: Kindred.ai
emiliobumachar 8y ago
I'm not in either field, but I imagine that the issues with remote control are the same issues with full automation. Mostly gripping and locomotion. I assume it's not very hard (for experts) to build an AI that would push the right buttons at the right times.
thrower123 8y ago
Have you ever watched any streams of somebody trying to play Job Simulator or other similar VR games? We have a long, long way to go with input tracking and control to get anything close to human dexterity over telepresence.
- howard941 8y ago
  I haven't but I take your point. How do surgeons operating remotely overcome the problems?
  - mrguyorama 8y ago
    A whole lot of training and VERY expensive robots
  - dwighttk 8y ago
    they use robots that cost millions of dollars
  - Cerium 8y ago
    Robotic assisted surgery involves the surgeon using an expensive console in the same room as the operation. As others have said, the systems require a fair amount of training to become accustomed to. The training requirement is offset by the additional capabilities that the robot brings that humans do not possess. In particular robotic tools have a larger range of motion than conventional minimally invasive instruments do.
  - sien 8y ago
    They don't really. Telesurgery is a bit of a myth. It's been done a few dozen times. It doesn't make that much sense economically. It's actually cheaper to fly a surgeon or a patient around for the few occasions when it really needs to be done. Most surgery still isn't done with Da Vinci robots or whatever. Surgeons with their hands can do many more things. That's not to say those robots are not amazing, it's just that they don't do everything. The military is the one area where it might make sense, but have a close look. They don't do it either. Instead the US military has an amazing extraction system where someone injured in battle in the middle east can be at Rammstein within hours.

by cptaj 8y ago

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago

I assume the tech isn't there, but mechanical turk for manual labour sounds like a fun concept, in a black mirror sort of way. Can't wait for Uber to try to solve its self driving cars with this.

abrichr 8y ago

See: Kindred.ai

emiliobumachar 8y ago

I'm not in either field, but I imagine that the issues with remote control are the same issues with full automation. Mostly gripping and locomotion. I assume it's not very hard (for experts) to build an AI that would push the right buttons at the right times.

thrower123 8y ago

Have you ever watched any streams of somebody trying to play Job Simulator or other similar VR games? We have a long, long way to go with input tracking and control to get anything close to human dexterity over telepresence.

howard941 8y ago
I haven't but I take your point. How do surgeons operating remotely overcome the problems?
- mrguyorama 8y ago
  A whole lot of training and VERY expensive robots
- dwighttk 8y ago
  they use robots that cost millions of dollars
- Cerium 8y ago
  Robotic assisted surgery involves the surgeon using an expensive console in the same room as the operation. As others have said, the systems require a fair amount of training to become accustomed to. The training requirement is offset by the additional capabilities that the robot brings that humans do not possess. In particular robotic tools have a larger range of motion than conventional minimally invasive instruments do.
- sien 8y ago
  They don't really. Telesurgery is a bit of a myth. It's been done a few dozen times. It doesn't make that much sense economically. It's actually cheaper to fly a surgeon or a patient around for the few occasions when it really needs to be done. Most surgery still isn't done with Da Vinci robots or whatever. Surgeons with their hands can do many more things. That's not to say those robots are not amazing, it's just that they don't do everything. The military is the one area where it might make sense, but have a close look. They don't do it either. Instead the US military has an amazing extraction system where someone injured in battle in the middle east can be at Rammstein within hours.