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Why doesn't anyone do a deal with comma.ai? They actually have a product that kind of works with just handful of people. Edit: Why all the down votes. Go check

Why doesn't anyone do a deal with comma.ai? They actually have a product that kind of works with just handful of people. Edit: Why all the down votes. Go check out some of the videos. It works pretty well. Its a level 2 system so the user still needs to pay attention to the roads which is true with any lkas system out now days.

NegativeLatency 8y ago
Uber’s system “kinda worked” too...
maym86 8y ago
They have built a single, forward looking, camera system on an Android platform and are using python for the control system. No serious auto manufacturer would trust a system like that for vehicle safety. It's a less reliable version of the lane keeping systems that the automotive manufacturers already have and nothing close to the autonomous system that George Hotz was promising would be easy a few years back. I also doubt automotive manufacturers want to deal with the drama around comma.ai and its publicity given they have a reputation to maintain as serious, safety conscious, organizations.
- samfisher83 8y ago
  For all current LKAS systems you need to pay attention to the road including the Tesla. The LKAS most manufactures use aren't that good.
  - maym86 8y ago
    Comma.ai has the same constraints. No monocular camera system works without careful user supervision. Even lidar based systems are not that reliable yet that you could trust them to the point of not paying attention.
- leesec 8y ago
  As far as quality goes it's way more reliable. Most of the "advanced" driver assistance systems would kill you within a minute if you left the car to their control. What they have now is a Devkit that is level 2, which they are using to iterate on, gather data, gather feedback, and will ultimately ship a much more complete consumer friendly product. It's really the only option for hobbyists and enthusiasts to get self driving capabilities today without 50k+.
  - maym86 8y ago
    > As far as quality goes it's way more reliable. Most of the "advanced" driver assistance systems would kill you within a minute if you left the car to their control. Do you have any evidence/studies for either of these statements? > It's really the only option for hobbyists and enthusiasts to get self driving capabilities today without 50k+. Right. It's not a serious automotive grade safety system.
    - leesec 8y ago
      Sure. Go on a highway with your stock LKAS/ACC on your Toyota/Honda/Mercedes/mostSystems and don't touch the wheel or gas/brakes, and see how long before you feel the need to intervene. Now do the same with Comma's Openpilot.
      - rjeli 8y ago
        lol, don’t bother. HNers have no idea of the sorry state of the “””industry”””
        maym86 8y ago
        I work in the industry and am scptical of even the big players ability to deliver on the promises they made 3-5 years ago including waymo and cruise.
        rjeli 8y ago
patejam 8y ago
You want "kind of works" with a self driving system?
- leesec 8y ago
  Tesla's Autopilot and GM's Supercruise only "kind of works"
  - patejam 8y ago
    I don't know much about GM's Supercruise, but I'm still in the camp that Tesla's Autopilot is dangerous and irresponsible. More specifically, I'm against anything less than L4 autonomous self driving cars.
    - leesec 8y ago
      Have you considered people using L2 systems as like an advanced cruise control? For example, if people are going to text and drive, would you rather they have an intelligent L2 system that reliably keeps you in the lane and not crashing into the car in front of you, or just do as they are doing now? I think there is much value in considering these systems as a better safety feature rather than fully autonomous.
      - patejam 8y ago
        It's not just about safety, but I think that the possibility of not paying attention when you need to is higher with an L2 system than standard cruise control. Beyond safety, I think L2 accidents (which are already happening) will be VERY bad for the perception of autonomous driving in general, and will make it VERY hard on a regulatory level to get L4+ autonomous cars out on the road when they're finally ready.
        gizmo385 8y ago
        The question is whether or not cars with L2 systems have a lower accident rate than cars without them. As with L4 systems, they don't need to be perfect - just better than we are.
deepnotderp 8y ago
Are you insane? It's literally running on an android smartphone...

NegativeLatency 8y ago

Uber’s system “kinda worked” too...

maym86 8y ago

They have built a single, forward looking, camera system on an Android platform and are using python for the control system. No serious auto manufacturer would trust a system like that for vehicle safety. It's a less reliable version of the lane keeping systems that the automotive manufacturers already have and nothing close to the autonomous system that George Hotz was promising would be easy a few years back. I also doubt automotive manufacturers want to deal with the drama around comma.ai and its publicity given they have a reputation to maintain as serious, safety conscious, organizations.

samfisher83 8y ago
For all current LKAS systems you need to pay attention to the road including the Tesla. The LKAS most manufactures use aren't that good.
- maym86 8y ago
  Comma.ai has the same constraints. No monocular camera system works without careful user supervision. Even lidar based systems are not that reliable yet that you could trust them to the point of not paying attention.
leesec 8y ago
As far as quality goes it's way more reliable. Most of the "advanced" driver assistance systems would kill you within a minute if you left the car to their control. What they have now is a Devkit that is level 2, which they are using to iterate on, gather data, gather feedback, and will ultimately ship a much more complete consumer friendly product. It's really the only option for hobbyists and enthusiasts to get self driving capabilities today without 50k+.
- maym86 8y ago
  > As far as quality goes it's way more reliable. Most of the "advanced" driver assistance systems would kill you within a minute if you left the car to their control. Do you have any evidence/studies for either of these statements? > It's really the only option for hobbyists and enthusiasts to get self driving capabilities today without 50k+. Right. It's not a serious automotive grade safety system.
  - leesec 8y ago
    Sure. Go on a highway with your stock LKAS/ACC on your Toyota/Honda/Mercedes/mostSystems and don't touch the wheel or gas/brakes, and see how long before you feel the need to intervene. Now do the same with Comma's Openpilot.
    - rjeli 8y ago
      lol, don’t bother. HNers have no idea of the sorry state of the “””industry”””
      - maym86 8y ago
        I work in the industry and am scptical of even the big players ability to deliver on the promises they made 3-5 years ago including waymo and cruise.
        rjeli 8y ago

patejam 8y ago

You want "kind of works" with a self driving system?

leesec 8y ago
Tesla's Autopilot and GM's Supercruise only "kind of works"
- patejam 8y ago
  I don't know much about GM's Supercruise, but I'm still in the camp that Tesla's Autopilot is dangerous and irresponsible. More specifically, I'm against anything less than L4 autonomous self driving cars.
  - leesec 8y ago
    Have you considered people using L2 systems as like an advanced cruise control? For example, if people are going to text and drive, would you rather they have an intelligent L2 system that reliably keeps you in the lane and not crashing into the car in front of you, or just do as they are doing now? I think there is much value in considering these systems as a better safety feature rather than fully autonomous.
    - patejam 8y ago
      It's not just about safety, but I think that the possibility of not paying attention when you need to is higher with an L2 system than standard cruise control. Beyond safety, I think L2 accidents (which are already happening) will be VERY bad for the perception of autonomous driving in general, and will make it VERY hard on a regulatory level to get L4+ autonomous cars out on the road when they're finally ready.
      - gizmo385 8y ago
        The question is whether or not cars with L2 systems have a lower accident rate than cars without them. As with L4 systems, they don't need to be perfect - just better than we are.

deepnotderp 8y ago

Are you insane? It's literally running on an android smartphone...