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"Same people who footed the bill for petrol/gas stations?" That would be me, and I don't want to foot that bill, because at a gas station I can fill up the tan

"Same people who footed the bill for petrol/gas stations?" That would be me, and I don't want to foot that bill, because at a gas station I can fill up the tank in under five minutes, and at a recharging station I'd have to wait a minimum of half an hour, so I wouldn't be getting the same level of service as I do today. As far as my wallet and especially my time (which is far more expensive) are concerned: no!

toomuchtodo 8y ago
You are out of luck then. It is the direction the market and governments are headed in.
- Annatar 8y ago
  "The needs of many outweigh the needs of few?" I've heard such rhetoric before; it did not end well.
mattlondon 8y ago
I guess you'll need just need to get the bus when you cant get a fossil fuel vehicle any more. Good luck. P.S. 350kw fast chargers are typically being advertised as zero to 80% charge in 15 minutes - cars that can accept these chargers are due in the next couple of years from Audi, Ford, BMW et al so mainstream "ordinary" cars as well as exotica like Porsche. I cant find any stats online, but I have read that the average time someone spends filling up with fossil fuels is 7 minutes, so an extra 8 minutes is not that outrageous and even that is zero to 80% - if you had say 20% remaining I'd imagine that the time would be in the order 10-12 minutes (guesstimate)
- Annatar 8y ago
  "I guess you'll need just need to get the bus when you cant get a fossil fuel vehicle any more. Good luck." A bus also needs diesel (:-D) My car is old enough that I could make my own biodiesel with the electricity from solar panels and run on it, so when the rest are stuck, I'll always have fuel. Even if nuclear war hits.
  - KozmoNau7 8y ago
    There are electric buses running as test vehicles on major bus routes in Copenhagen, and the 5C bus line runs CNG buses exclusively. Diesel buses are still the majority, but they are slowly being phased out.
  - mattlondon 8y ago
    There are already 100% electric busses running in London and elsewhere, with more on their way. Good luck making your own fuel (N.B. in a lot of places it is illegal or in dubious grey-areas, plus there are the obvious environmental and safety implications which might prevent you from doing it one way or another). Why not just use that electricity from the solar panels to charge an EV's batteries?
    - Annatar 8y ago
      "Good luck making your own fuel (N.B. in a lot of places it is illegal or in dubious grey-areas," Biodiesel has lower emissions of both NOx and CO2. By the time we're in such an apocalyptic scenario where internal combustion engines are a thing of the post, nobody will be giving a damn about some guy driving such an anachronism. And show me where it's illegal to produce one's own fuel. "Why not just use that electricity from the solar panels to charge an EV's batteries?" (Car guy here! I just came back from Hockenheim with my racing license not too long ago!) Because with my diesel, I have a range of at least 1000 km, ~1300 km if I hypermile. Batteries lose capacity. Electric cars have no clutch pedal nor a manual transmission (they don't need it), so for a car guy like me, that sucks serious ass. Acceleration isn't everything: electric vehicles sap all the enjoyment out of driving. If there were electric cars with a clutch pedal and a manual transmission, I'd be willing to trade the range and make a compromise, but there aren't so there is no incentive for me to do so.

toomuchtodo 8y ago

You are out of luck then. It is the direction the market and governments are headed in.

Annatar 8y ago
"The needs of many outweigh the needs of few?" I've heard such rhetoric before; it did not end well.

mattlondon 8y ago

I guess you'll need just need to get the bus when you cant get a fossil fuel vehicle any more. Good luck. P.S. 350kw fast chargers are typically being advertised as zero to 80% charge in 15 minutes - cars that can accept these chargers are due in the next couple of years from Audi, Ford, BMW et al so mainstream "ordinary" cars as well as exotica like Porsche. I cant find any stats online, but I have read that the average time someone spends filling up with fossil fuels is 7 minutes, so an extra 8 minutes is not that outrageous and even that is zero to 80% - if you had say 20% remaining I'd imagine that the time would be in the order 10-12 minutes (guesstimate)

Annatar 8y ago
"I guess you'll need just need to get the bus when you cant get a fossil fuel vehicle any more. Good luck." A bus also needs diesel (:-D) My car is old enough that I could make my own biodiesel with the electricity from solar panels and run on it, so when the rest are stuck, I'll always have fuel. Even if nuclear war hits.
- KozmoNau7 8y ago
  There are electric buses running as test vehicles on major bus routes in Copenhagen, and the 5C bus line runs CNG buses exclusively. Diesel buses are still the majority, but they are slowly being phased out.
- mattlondon 8y ago
  There are already 100% electric busses running in London and elsewhere, with more on their way. Good luck making your own fuel (N.B. in a lot of places it is illegal or in dubious grey-areas, plus there are the obvious environmental and safety implications which might prevent you from doing it one way or another). Why not just use that electricity from the solar panels to charge an EV's batteries?
  - Annatar 8y ago
    "Good luck making your own fuel (N.B. in a lot of places it is illegal or in dubious grey-areas," Biodiesel has lower emissions of both NOx and CO2. By the time we're in such an apocalyptic scenario where internal combustion engines are a thing of the post, nobody will be giving a damn about some guy driving such an anachronism. And show me where it's illegal to produce one's own fuel. "Why not just use that electricity from the solar panels to charge an EV's batteries?" (Car guy here! I just came back from Hockenheim with my racing license not too long ago!) Because with my diesel, I have a range of at least 1000 km, ~1300 km if I hypermile. Batteries lose capacity. Electric cars have no clutch pedal nor a manual transmission (they don't need it), so for a car guy like me, that sucks serious ass. Acceleration isn't everything: electric vehicles sap all the enjoyment out of driving. If there were electric cars with a clutch pedal and a manual transmission, I'd be willing to trade the range and make a compromise, but there aren't so there is no incentive for me to do so.