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Very straightforward. Now, who's going to foot that bill?

by Annatar 8y ago

maxxxxx 8y ago
A charging station is probably cheaper than a gas station to build.
- walshemj 8y ago
  Id like to see your figures on that.
  - maxxxxx 8y ago
    I have no numbers but it seems a charging station is simpler. No gas tank to bury, no risk of leakage, no fire hazards.
    - outworlder 8y ago
      A couple years ago, a quick charger (CHAdeMO, not Tesla's) cost about 50k. Not sure what kind of permits were required. Can you build a gas station with 50k? How much is just the labor to bury the underground tank? And that's a quick charger, which you would use mostly for trips. For most purposes you only need easily accessible power outlets (although the level 2 stations are far more convenient). Most cars are sitting in parking lots most of the time anyway.
mattlondon 8y ago
Same people who footed the bill for petrol/gas stations? I.e. commercial operators who want to sell you coffee/snacks/flowers/other high-markup items as well as fuel/energy. Added bonus for EV: longer dwell time while waiting for a fast-charge means more likely to spend spend spend (perhaps)
- Annatar 8y ago
  "Same people who footed the bill for petrol/gas stations?" That would be me, and I don't want to foot that bill, because at a gas station I can fill up the tank in under five minutes, and at a recharging station I'd have to wait a minimum of half an hour, so I wouldn't be getting the same level of service as I do today. As far as my wallet and especially my time (which is far more expensive) are concerned: no!
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    You are out of luck then. It is the direction the market and governments are headed in.
    - Annatar 8y ago
      "The needs of many outweigh the needs of few?" I've heard such rhetoric before; it did not end well.
  - mattlondon 8y ago
    I guess you'll need just need to get the bus when you cant get a fossil fuel vehicle any more. Good luck. P.S. 350kw fast chargers are typically being advertised as zero to 80% charge in 15 minutes - cars that can accept these chargers are due in the next couple of years from Audi, Ford, BMW et al so mainstream "ordinary" cars as well as exotica like Porsche. I cant find any stats online, but I have read that the average time someone spends filling up with fossil fuels is 7 minutes, so an extra 8 minutes is not that outrageous and even that is zero to 80% - if you had say 20% remaining I'd imagine that the time would be in the order 10-12 minutes (guesstimate)
    - Annatar 8y ago
      "I guess you'll need just need to get the bus when you cant get a fossil fuel vehicle any more. Good luck." A bus also needs diesel (:-D) My car is old enough that I could make my own biodiesel with the electricity from solar panels and run on it, so when the rest are stuck, I'll always have fuel. Even if nuclear war hits.
- walshemj 8y ago
  Major increases to a nations grid is not the same is putting up a cheap and cheerful shed and a few underground tanks.

Very straightforward. Now, who's going to foot that bill?

maxxxxx 8y ago

A charging station is probably cheaper than a gas station to build.

walshemj 8y ago
Id like to see your figures on that.
- maxxxxx 8y ago
  I have no numbers but it seems a charging station is simpler. No gas tank to bury, no risk of leakage, no fire hazards.
  - outworlder 8y ago
    A couple years ago, a quick charger (CHAdeMO, not Tesla's) cost about 50k. Not sure what kind of permits were required. Can you build a gas station with 50k? How much is just the labor to bury the underground tank? And that's a quick charger, which you would use mostly for trips. For most purposes you only need easily accessible power outlets (although the level 2 stations are far more convenient). Most cars are sitting in parking lots most of the time anyway.

mattlondon 8y ago

Same people who footed the bill for petrol/gas stations? I.e. commercial operators who want to sell you coffee/snacks/flowers/other high-markup items as well as fuel/energy. Added bonus for EV: longer dwell time while waiting for a fast-charge means more likely to spend spend spend (perhaps)

Annatar 8y ago
"Same people who footed the bill for petrol/gas stations?" That would be me, and I don't want to foot that bill, because at a gas station I can fill up the tank in under five minutes, and at a recharging station I'd have to wait a minimum of half an hour, so I wouldn't be getting the same level of service as I do today. As far as my wallet and especially my time (which is far more expensive) are concerned: no!
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  You are out of luck then. It is the direction the market and governments are headed in.
  - Annatar 8y ago
    "The needs of many outweigh the needs of few?" I've heard such rhetoric before; it did not end well.
- mattlondon 8y ago
  I guess you'll need just need to get the bus when you cant get a fossil fuel vehicle any more. Good luck. P.S. 350kw fast chargers are typically being advertised as zero to 80% charge in 15 minutes - cars that can accept these chargers are due in the next couple of years from Audi, Ford, BMW et al so mainstream "ordinary" cars as well as exotica like Porsche. I cant find any stats online, but I have read that the average time someone spends filling up with fossil fuels is 7 minutes, so an extra 8 minutes is not that outrageous and even that is zero to 80% - if you had say 20% remaining I'd imagine that the time would be in the order 10-12 minutes (guesstimate)
  - Annatar 8y ago
    "I guess you'll need just need to get the bus when you cant get a fossil fuel vehicle any more. Good luck." A bus also needs diesel (:-D) My car is old enough that I could make my own biodiesel with the electricity from solar panels and run on it, so when the rest are stuck, I'll always have fuel. Even if nuclear war hits.
walshemj 8y ago
Major increases to a nations grid is not the same is putting up a cheap and cheerful shed and a few underground tanks.