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I'm trying so hard to move my email away from Gmail. I have a paid proton account by the syncing for desktop and the mobile app is terrible. Are there any other

I'm trying so hard to move my email away from Gmail. I have a paid proton account by the syncing for desktop and the mobile app is terrible. Are there any other options out there? I switched to Firefox and I love it so far.

corobo 8y ago
It gets thrown around a lot and in my opinion for good reason - I've switched to Fastmail[1] myself. I've got the $5/mo account because I wanted to bring my own domains. Had it for a while just forwarding everything to my gmail but have now cut the forwarding and switched fully. If you're in the Apple ecosystem the app I attribute to finally moving was Spark[2], which I discovered after Google announced it was killing off Inbox [1] https://www.fastmail.com/ https://www.fastmail.com/ [2] https://sparkmailapp.com/ https://sparkmailapp.com/
- post_break 8y ago
  Thank you I will check it out.
- jtmarl1n 8y ago
  Doesn't spark scan your email box like GMail used to? I haven't found anything recent stating they have stopped that practice.
  - ascagnel_ 8y ago
    They do (it's why I've stopped using it). If you're in the iOS/macOS ecosystem, Airmail is a good option.
  - corobo 8y ago
    What does that mean? I imagine it has to scan my email if it's to provide the search functionality. If you're hinting at something more untoward could you spell it out for me, I can't find anything that painted it with an ugly brush
    - tannhaeuser 8y ago
      A basic mail service is about IMAP (and P0P3), rather than webmail with full-text search. Searching through your mail is performed on your own computer using Thunderbird or another mail client. If your mail provider scans your email for targetting, you should switch to a paid provider where you are the customer, rather than the product.
      - corobo 8y ago
        I understand how mail works trust me, I used to manage a fleet of about 40 mail servers in a past job shudder I'm sorry but these comments aren't really saying anything with any substance. If my mail provider "scans my email for targetting" - Do you mean ad targeting? Both the mail host and the app are paid products, not ad supported.
        tannhaeuser 8y ago
        Sorry for not being clear and stating obvious things. I just wanted to express that IMHO a mail provider has no business of scanning your email (for ad targetting or other purposes), and should not get away with this. In fact, if your email provider engages in such things, then that could be a reason for another person/org to not send you mail over that channel, which kind of defeats the purpose of email.
  - seppin 8y ago
    If Gmail doesn't scan your email anymore, what's the objection to it?
- Boulth 8y ago
  Doesn't Fastmail still have their data centers in US? (that'd mean NSA could get the data, as Fastmail doesn't support PGP). Related: https://www.privacytools.io/#email https://www.privacytools.io/#email
  - corobo 8y ago
    Honestly, and this is for me personally not my overall worldview, if I'm ever doing anything the NSA would be interested in knowing about it wouldn't be discussed via email I do understand your concern but I've always treated emails as I would postcards
    - Boulth 8y ago
      Yes, if you're targeted by nation state it's a bigger problem but I still don't like the passive collection of all my data.
bob1029 8y ago
I am finding that Amazon Workmail is pretty awesome, even for personal use cases. It was really convenient for me to configure as well because the domain I wanted to use was already in Route53.
- Boulth 8y ago
  I miss the Archive button in Workmail. Besides that it looks good!
tannhaeuser 8y ago
mailbox.org is a respected, privacy-focussed German mail provider who's been around since almost the beginning. According to their site, they're providing services to Wikimedia and many other NGOs. Though their business pricing is a bit steep compared to a run-of-the-mill mail space you get for your domain from the DNS registrar.
calv 8y ago
If you have your own domain and don't send more than 10 emails (and a limit of 1GB) a day you can get Migadu, and I think it's $5 for upto 200 or something emails a day out (and practically everything is unlimited). I still can't fully switch from GMail, but I've prepared myself so I have to since I'm gonna pay.

corobo 8y ago

It gets thrown around a lot and in my opinion for good reason - I've switched to Fastmail[1] myself. I've got the $5/mo account because I wanted to bring my own domains. Had it for a while just forwarding everything to my gmail but have now cut the forwarding and switched fully. If you're in the Apple ecosystem the app I attribute to finally moving was Spark[2], which I discovered after Google announced it was killing off Inbox [1] https://www.fastmail.com/ https://www.fastmail.com/ [2] https://sparkmailapp.com/ https://sparkmailapp.com/

post_break 8y ago
Thank you I will check it out.
jtmarl1n 8y ago
Doesn't spark scan your email box like GMail used to? I haven't found anything recent stating they have stopped that practice.
- ascagnel_ 8y ago
  They do (it's why I've stopped using it). If you're in the iOS/macOS ecosystem, Airmail is a good option.
- corobo 8y ago
  What does that mean? I imagine it has to scan my email if it's to provide the search functionality. If you're hinting at something more untoward could you spell it out for me, I can't find anything that painted it with an ugly brush
  - tannhaeuser 8y ago
    A basic mail service is about IMAP (and P0P3), rather than webmail with full-text search. Searching through your mail is performed on your own computer using Thunderbird or another mail client. If your mail provider scans your email for targetting, you should switch to a paid provider where you are the customer, rather than the product.
    - corobo 8y ago
      I understand how mail works trust me, I used to manage a fleet of about 40 mail servers in a past job shudder I'm sorry but these comments aren't really saying anything with any substance. If my mail provider "scans my email for targetting" - Do you mean ad targeting? Both the mail host and the app are paid products, not ad supported.
      - tannhaeuser 8y ago
        Sorry for not being clear and stating obvious things. I just wanted to express that IMHO a mail provider has no business of scanning your email (for ad targetting or other purposes), and should not get away with this. In fact, if your email provider engages in such things, then that could be a reason for another person/org to not send you mail over that channel, which kind of defeats the purpose of email.
- seppin 8y ago
  If Gmail doesn't scan your email anymore, what's the objection to it?
Boulth 8y ago
Doesn't Fastmail still have their data centers in US? (that'd mean NSA could get the data, as Fastmail doesn't support PGP). Related: https://www.privacytools.io/#email https://www.privacytools.io/#email
- corobo 8y ago
  Honestly, and this is for me personally not my overall worldview, if I'm ever doing anything the NSA would be interested in knowing about it wouldn't be discussed via email I do understand your concern but I've always treated emails as I would postcards
  - Boulth 8y ago
    Yes, if you're targeted by nation state it's a bigger problem but I still don't like the passive collection of all my data.

bob1029 8y ago

I am finding that Amazon Workmail is pretty awesome, even for personal use cases. It was really convenient for me to configure as well because the domain I wanted to use was already in Route53.

Boulth 8y ago
I miss the Archive button in Workmail. Besides that it looks good!

tannhaeuser 8y ago

mailbox.org is a respected, privacy-focussed German mail provider who's been around since almost the beginning. According to their site, they're providing services to Wikimedia and many other NGOs. Though their business pricing is a bit steep compared to a run-of-the-mill mail space you get for your domain from the DNS registrar.

calv 8y ago

If you have your own domain and don't send more than 10 emails (and a limit of 1GB) a day you can get Migadu, and I think it's $5 for upto 200 or something emails a day out (and practically everything is unlimited). I still can't fully switch from GMail, but I've prepared myself so I have to since I'm gonna pay.