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It takes some real unique ability to look at Gaza's map and missing the fact that it has a very long border with ... Egypt. So even if Gaza is an "open air pris

It takes some real unique ability to look at Gaza's map and missing the fact that it has a very long border with ... Egypt. So even if Gaza is an "open air prison" there is more than one guard to it.

partycoder 8y ago
The border with Egypt is walled. The wall also extends underground to prevent smuggling. The Gaza strip cannot be accessed by air or sea either.
- beagle3 8y ago
  Indeed. And not by Israel[0] ; I think the reason Israel gets most of the criticism here is that Israel is a western, democratic party, but by no means is it the only one to blame in this story. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Egypt_border#Buffer_zone_by_Egypt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Egypt_border#Buff...
- amitport 8y ago
  Are you suggesting that the border with Egypt should allow smuggling? The point is that it is a border with Egypt, not Israel. Goods can (and do) enter from there.
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  - partycoder 8y ago
    > Are you suggesting that the border with Egypt should allow smuggling? No, I am not. I am describing that wall. > Goods can (and do) enter from there. No, they don't. Only people are allowed through the Gaza/Egypt border (controlled by the EU).
    - amitport 8y ago
      Fine, so the EU is seiging Gaza with Egypt. Though I think your data is not up to date the important fact remains the same: Israel does not control that border. Talking about the embrago and selectivly only mentioning Israel is a curious thing and to me it seems biased against that non-EU non-muslim state.
      - partycoder 8y ago
        Please pay more attention to what I posted: I never mentioned Israel, and I am not biased against them. The Gaza/Egypt border only allows people, not goods. Goods need to go through Israel/Gaza borders. If you disagree with this, go talk to the administrators of those borders or modify the treaties that govern them. If goods could freely pass back and forth there wouldn't be so many tunnels.
        amitport 8y ago
        "Goods need to go through Israel/Gaza borders"- unless Egypt and EU will want to let goods go through the Egypt/Gaza border. I'm not arguing that goods are currently flowing from Egypt. I'm saying that they could if Egypt and the EU would want them to. So the original comment you responded to was correct in wondering why Egypt is not being mentioned.
        partycoder 8y ago
        Go read about Camp David accords, Egypt-Israel peace treaty and the whole mess of UN resolutions involving Israel and after you do that, let me know if it just depends on Egypt.
zimablue 8y ago
But it's a false equivalence, because Gaza is part of the country of Israel not Egypt. This perspective would make sense if you had a two state solution but in the current perspective it makes absolutely no sense. It's like we put some region of France under lockdown and people were like "but that region borders Germany! The real villains are the Germans!" whilst France was refusing to grant the region either political independence or allow it to become part of Germany. It's that silly to mention Egypt.
- amitport 8y ago
  That's just a bad analogy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gaza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gaza Gaza was part of Turkey (Ottoman) and was a part of Britain and was a part of Egypt and was a part of Israel and it is an independent region since 2005. It's more like Belgium in your France Germany analogy. France has no control over the Belgium-German border.
amitport 8y ago
Why is this being down-voted? it is a correct and relevant statement.

It takes some real unique ability to look at Gaza's map and missing the fact that it has a very long border with ... Egypt. So even if Gaza is an "open air prison" there is more than one guard to it.

partycoder 8y ago

The border with Egypt is walled. The wall also extends underground to prevent smuggling. The Gaza strip cannot be accessed by air or sea either.

beagle3 8y ago
Indeed. And not by Israel[0] ; I think the reason Israel gets most of the criticism here is that Israel is a western, democratic party, but by no means is it the only one to blame in this story. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Egypt_border#Buffer_zone_by_Egypt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Egypt_border#Buff...
amitport 8y ago
Are you suggesting that the border with Egypt should allow smuggling? The point is that it is a border with Egypt, not Israel. Goods can (and do) enter from there.
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- partycoder 8y ago
  > Are you suggesting that the border with Egypt should allow smuggling? No, I am not. I am describing that wall. > Goods can (and do) enter from there. No, they don't. Only people are allowed through the Gaza/Egypt border (controlled by the EU).
  - amitport 8y ago
    Fine, so the EU is seiging Gaza with Egypt. Though I think your data is not up to date the important fact remains the same: Israel does not control that border. Talking about the embrago and selectivly only mentioning Israel is a curious thing and to me it seems biased against that non-EU non-muslim state.
    - partycoder 8y ago
      Please pay more attention to what I posted: I never mentioned Israel, and I am not biased against them. The Gaza/Egypt border only allows people, not goods. Goods need to go through Israel/Gaza borders. If you disagree with this, go talk to the administrators of those borders or modify the treaties that govern them. If goods could freely pass back and forth there wouldn't be so many tunnels.
      - amitport 8y ago
        "Goods need to go through Israel/Gaza borders"- unless Egypt and EU will want to let goods go through the Egypt/Gaza border. I'm not arguing that goods are currently flowing from Egypt. I'm saying that they could if Egypt and the EU would want them to. So the original comment you responded to was correct in wondering why Egypt is not being mentioned.
        partycoder 8y ago
        Go read about Camp David accords, Egypt-Israel peace treaty and the whole mess of UN resolutions involving Israel and after you do that, let me know if it just depends on Egypt.

zimablue 8y ago

But it's a false equivalence, because Gaza is part of the country of Israel not Egypt. This perspective would make sense if you had a two state solution but in the current perspective it makes absolutely no sense. It's like we put some region of France under lockdown and people were like "but that region borders Germany! The real villains are the Germans!" whilst France was refusing to grant the region either political independence or allow it to become part of Germany. It's that silly to mention Egypt.

amitport 8y ago
That's just a bad analogy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gaza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gaza Gaza was part of Turkey (Ottoman) and was a part of Britain and was a part of Egypt and was a part of Israel and it is an independent region since 2005. It's more like Belgium in your France Germany analogy. France has no control over the Belgium-German border.

amitport 8y ago

Why is this being down-voted? it is a correct and relevant statement.