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Sir, gently revoke thyself from this thread with your blatant antisemitism/antizionisn.

PlutoIsAPlanet 8y ago
Why are you confusing antisemitism and antizionism? The poster is criticising the actions of a state, that's not anti-semitism in any way. He didn't even say anything about jews or judaism.
- MarceColl 8y ago
  Don't bother, he created a throwaway just to say stupid shit. There's no point in following his game, downvote, flag and ignore is the best course of action.
- tariandbari 8y ago
  I don't know if the OP of this thread is part of the antizionism camp. I can only assert that he is an idiot (He looks at the map and cannot see the long border that is shared between Gaza and Egypt) BUT antisemitism == antizionism as it simply design to strip Jews from their own homeland. Antizionism is not part of a global anti nationality movement that says "Let's abolish the 57 Islamic countries, the 21 Arab countries and this one Jewish state" its one and only goal is to deny from the Jews what many other have.
  - PlutoIsAPlanet 8y ago
    I don't think anyone who claims to be anti-zionist apart from the far-right of the spectrum calls for the destruction of Israel. The "homeland" reason is stupid. Religion should have no say in politics, including the founding of states.
    - tariandbari 8y ago
      What you think or don't think doesn't matter, the fact is that being an anti-zionist is, by definition, being pro Israel destruction. If it is not a Jewish state it is something else. Religion has a say in politics, stupid or not, Hamas which controls Gaza is a religious organization, there 57 countries that identify themselves as Islamic nations. The Jews deserve one such state as well. That being said, Jews is a religion as well as people. If it was only a religion (convenient yet false argument) the Nazis would let them convert instead of exterminating 6 million of them.
    - amitport 8y ago
      It is only relevant that it is what a major part of Gaza population claims. Israeli people feel that anti-zionist effectively results in giving weapons and access to those who wish to use them, which means destruction and ethnic murder. Unwillingness the explain how this outcome is prevented seems to many as complete alignment with Hamas goals and effectively (indirectly) calling for the destruction of Israel.
Zofren 8y ago
Not to lean either way, but it would be nice if it was possible to criticize Israel without it being conflated with antisemitism. Criticizing Saudi Arabia, for example, doesn't typically cause people to assume I'm criticizing Islam.
- tariandbari 8y ago
  You can criticize Israel as much as you want. But what people so often do is to apply different morals to Israel and other countries. And that's is pure antisemitism.
  - PlutoIsAPlanet 8y ago
    Israel gets the same level of expectations as any other 'western' democratic state as it ultimately wants to be part of if it isn't already the Western community.
Cthulhu_ 8y ago
What's with the ye olde language anyway? Also it's not bad to criticize a state for dickish behaviour. That's not antizionism, that's calling a spade a spade.
partycoder 8y ago
"anti" = opposition. Opposition can have various degrees. The terms you used are often reserved for substantial prejudice and discrimination (see Allport's scale).
dang 8y ago
We've banned many accounts for antisemitic comments. If you want to see what that looks like, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18132624 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18132624 is an example from this thread. (You'll need to set 'showdead' to 'yes' in your profile to see it, because I'm not going to unkill it just to make a point.) That's not what padraic7a posted, you can't do personal attacks here, and since it looks like you created this account just to do flamewar, I've banned it too. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Why are you confusing antisemitism and antizionism? The poster is criticising the actions of a state, that's not anti-semitism in any way. He didn't even say anything about jews or judaism.

MarceColl 8y ago
Don't bother, he created a throwaway just to say stupid shit. There's no point in following his game, downvote, flag and ignore is the best course of action.
tariandbari 8y ago
I don't know if the OP of this thread is part of the antizionism camp. I can only assert that he is an idiot (He looks at the map and cannot see the long border that is shared between Gaza and Egypt) BUT antisemitism == antizionism as it simply design to strip Jews from their own homeland. Antizionism is not part of a global anti nationality movement that says "Let's abolish the 57 Islamic countries, the 21 Arab countries and this one Jewish state" its one and only goal is to deny from the Jews what many other have.
- PlutoIsAPlanet 8y ago
  I don't think anyone who claims to be anti-zionist apart from the far-right of the spectrum calls for the destruction of Israel. The "homeland" reason is stupid. Religion should have no say in politics, including the founding of states.
  - tariandbari 8y ago
    What you think or don't think doesn't matter, the fact is that being an anti-zionist is, by definition, being pro Israel destruction. If it is not a Jewish state it is something else. Religion has a say in politics, stupid or not, Hamas which controls Gaza is a religious organization, there 57 countries that identify themselves as Islamic nations. The Jews deserve one such state as well. That being said, Jews is a religion as well as people. If it was only a religion (convenient yet false argument) the Nazis would let them convert instead of exterminating 6 million of them.
  - amitport 8y ago
    It is only relevant that it is what a major part of Gaza population claims. Israeli people feel that anti-zionist effectively results in giving weapons and access to those who wish to use them, which means destruction and ethnic murder. Unwillingness the explain how this outcome is prevented seems to many as complete alignment with Hamas goals and effectively (indirectly) calling for the destruction of Israel.

Zofren 8y ago

Not to lean either way, but it would be nice if it was possible to criticize Israel without it being conflated with antisemitism. Criticizing Saudi Arabia, for example, doesn't typically cause people to assume I'm criticizing Islam.

tariandbari 8y ago
You can criticize Israel as much as you want. But what people so often do is to apply different morals to Israel and other countries. And that's is pure antisemitism.
- PlutoIsAPlanet 8y ago
  Israel gets the same level of expectations as any other 'western' democratic state as it ultimately wants to be part of if it isn't already the Western community.

Cthulhu_ 8y ago

What's with the ye olde language anyway? Also it's not bad to criticize a state for dickish behaviour. That's not antizionism, that's calling a spade a spade.

partycoder 8y ago

"anti" = opposition. Opposition can have various degrees. The terms you used are often reserved for substantial prejudice and discrimination (see Allport's scale).

dang 8y ago

We've banned many accounts for antisemitic comments. If you want to see what that looks like, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18132624 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18132624 is an example from this thread. (You'll need to set 'showdead' to 'yes' in your profile to see it, because I'm not going to unkill it just to make a point.) That's not what padraic7a posted, you can't do personal attacks here, and since it looks like you created this account just to do flamewar, I've banned it too. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html