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Yeh, it's kind of redicoulius how much of a bias there is. It sounds like some Sam Harris or Jordan Peterson disciples going out to battle for them. It's been e

Yeh, it's kind of redicoulius how much of a bias there is. It sounds like some Sam Harris or Jordan Peterson disciples going out to battle for them. It's been established that journals of all kind, including physics are susceptable to accepting papers that aren't up to snuff. The is even an app which will write such papers for you. It's just a hit piece. I'm more interested in the reason why to be honest.

kryogen1c 8y ago
As a serious JP fan I take offense to this. That is irrelevant, however. Did you read the article or just identify it as something you don't like philosophically and completely ignore it's merits? This is the exact identitarian madness in question. > It's been established that journals of all kind, including physics are susceptable to accepting papers that aren't up to snuff. The article is quite clear that it's not trying to sneak one slightly substandard paper under the radar. They write 20 papers with the same academic rigor as the accepted literature in the field. EDIT: typos
- ForHackernews 8y ago
  Don't take this personally but Jordan Peterson is a hack: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-d... (Or, if you don't want to read that, listen to him flailing around in this non-political debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsyZcKUP_-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsyZcKUP_-k )
  - Mediterraneo10 8y ago
    It is a shame to see you downvoted here for linking to that well-argued article. I know Jordan Peterson seems to have quite an impact on young men, but for older folks who have been around for a while, it is easy to see him as just this era’s Carlos Castaneda or other shallow (and probably rather ephemeral) spiritual guru.
    - kryogen1c 8y ago
      I dont think its a shame at all - that article is not the least bit well-argued. It goes pages before it quotes JP or in any way tries to debate his views. Here are some excepts from this "well-argued article": >Jordan Peterson appears very profound and has convinced many people to take him seriously. Yet he has almost nothing of value to say. >They are half nonsense, half banality. In a reasonable world, Peterson would be seen as the kind of tedious crackpot that one hopes not to get seated next to on a train. >A more important reason why Peterson is “misinterpreted” is that he is so consistently vague and vacillating that it’s impossible to tell what he is “actually saying.” Actually quotes JPs book, in what the author clearly thinks the reader will find is a confusing way (i dont) >But here I am already giving Peterson’s work a more coherent summary than it actually deserves. Note that i did not pull those out of context; there is no supporting evidence. the author just... says stuff. This is the opposite of well-written. It is ad-hominem after playground insult. there is no point counter-point or debate format of any kind. the author basically assumes you think JP is not meaningful and then makes fun of the way he speaks.
      - ForHackernews 8y ago
        I don't understand how any technically-minded person can take this stuff seriously: https://images.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/peterson3.jpg https://images.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/peterson3.jpg
        buboard 8y ago
        But can you prove it wrong? I think you 'll find a lot of such comically simplistic "conjoined triangles of success" in the arts. More seriously, if you re interested to understand the people who take him seriously, pointing out those caricatures is the wrong way to go about it. He creates a narrative that has emotional appeal and is backed up by science. He does get his facts straight in his arguments - he's not using pseudoscience. The psychology literature leaves just enough cracks for his theories to fall through undamaged. Thats why those who oppose to him have to use aesthetic arguments like this.
  - buboard 8y ago
    > Jordan Peterson’s popularity is the sign of a deeply impoverished political and intellectual landscape… Yes, but that only proves he's the best public intellectual. In a world where everyone else is worse, why would you not listen to him. The article also says he speaks "as unintelligibly as possible", which couldn't be further from truth, so i don't know if it could be trusted. Halfway in the page it becomes obvious it's a hit piece to promote the author's book. I agree that peterson is overrated, but not for those reasons.
    - ForHackernews 8y ago
      > Halfway in the page it becomes obvious it's a hit piece to promote the author's book. Uh... that's a joke. FTA: > By the way, an amusing aside: a few years ago my colleague Oren Nimni and I wrote a parody of nonsensical academic grand theory called Blueprints for a Sparkling Tomorrow... I'm not sure what to make of your inability to distinguish a parody of Grand Theory hucksterism from the real thing. Is this some kind of meta-commentary?
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      - buboard 8y ago
        > that's a joke. So ? it's still a hit piece that ridicules the same stuff. Probably not for promotion though, i dont think anyone would want to buy it. Apart from vague opinionated irony , there is little in arguments here, and from my skim reading many are false (such as he talks unintelligibly)
Yoric 8y ago
Seriously, there's an app for that? Do you have more details?
- kryogen1c 8y ago
  I don't remember when, but they discuss options here https://youtu.be/ras_VYgA77Q https://youtu.be/ras_VYgA77Q

kryogen1c 8y ago

As a serious JP fan I take offense to this. That is irrelevant, however. Did you read the article or just identify it as something you don't like philosophically and completely ignore it's merits? This is the exact identitarian madness in question. > It's been established that journals of all kind, including physics are susceptable to accepting papers that aren't up to snuff. The article is quite clear that it's not trying to sneak one slightly substandard paper under the radar. They write 20 papers with the same academic rigor as the accepted literature in the field. EDIT: typos

ForHackernews 8y ago
Don't take this personally but Jordan Peterson is a hack: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-d... (Or, if you don't want to read that, listen to him flailing around in this non-political debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsyZcKUP_-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsyZcKUP_-k )
- Mediterraneo10 8y ago
  It is a shame to see you downvoted here for linking to that well-argued article. I know Jordan Peterson seems to have quite an impact on young men, but for older folks who have been around for a while, it is easy to see him as just this era’s Carlos Castaneda or other shallow (and probably rather ephemeral) spiritual guru.
  - kryogen1c 8y ago
    I dont think its a shame at all - that article is not the least bit well-argued. It goes pages before it quotes JP or in any way tries to debate his views. Here are some excepts from this "well-argued article": >Jordan Peterson appears very profound and has convinced many people to take him seriously. Yet he has almost nothing of value to say. >They are half nonsense, half banality. In a reasonable world, Peterson would be seen as the kind of tedious crackpot that one hopes not to get seated next to on a train. >A more important reason why Peterson is “misinterpreted” is that he is so consistently vague and vacillating that it’s impossible to tell what he is “actually saying.” Actually quotes JPs book, in what the author clearly thinks the reader will find is a confusing way (i dont) >But here I am already giving Peterson’s work a more coherent summary than it actually deserves. Note that i did not pull those out of context; there is no supporting evidence. the author just... says stuff. This is the opposite of well-written. It is ad-hominem after playground insult. there is no point counter-point or debate format of any kind. the author basically assumes you think JP is not meaningful and then makes fun of the way he speaks.
    - ForHackernews 8y ago
      I don't understand how any technically-minded person can take this stuff seriously: https://images.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/peterson3.jpg https://images.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/peterson3.jpg
      - buboard 8y ago
        But can you prove it wrong? I think you 'll find a lot of such comically simplistic "conjoined triangles of success" in the arts. More seriously, if you re interested to understand the people who take him seriously, pointing out those caricatures is the wrong way to go about it. He creates a narrative that has emotional appeal and is backed up by science. He does get his facts straight in his arguments - he's not using pseudoscience. The psychology literature leaves just enough cracks for his theories to fall through undamaged. Thats why those who oppose to him have to use aesthetic arguments like this.
- buboard 8y ago
  > Jordan Peterson’s popularity is the sign of a deeply impoverished political and intellectual landscape… Yes, but that only proves he's the best public intellectual. In a world where everyone else is worse, why would you not listen to him. The article also says he speaks "as unintelligibly as possible", which couldn't be further from truth, so i don't know if it could be trusted. Halfway in the page it becomes obvious it's a hit piece to promote the author's book. I agree that peterson is overrated, but not for those reasons.
  - ForHackernews 8y ago
    > Halfway in the page it becomes obvious it's a hit piece to promote the author's book. Uh... that's a joke. FTA: > By the way, an amusing aside: a few years ago my colleague Oren Nimni and I wrote a parody of nonsensical academic grand theory called Blueprints for a Sparkling Tomorrow... I'm not sure what to make of your inability to distinguish a parody of Grand Theory hucksterism from the real thing. Is this some kind of meta-commentary?
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    - buboard 8y ago
      > that's a joke. So ? it's still a hit piece that ridicules the same stuff. Probably not for promotion though, i dont think anyone would want to buy it. Apart from vague opinionated irony , there is little in arguments here, and from my skim reading many are false (such as he talks unintelligibly)

Yoric 8y ago

Seriously, there's an app for that? Do you have more details?

kryogen1c 8y ago
I don't remember when, but they discuss options here https://youtu.be/ras_VYgA77Q https://youtu.be/ras_VYgA77Q