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To me it seems that the problem is the definition of "startup". Not every new/small business is a startup. A profitable, no/slow-growth small business can be a

To me it seems that the problem is the definition of "startup". Not every new/small business is a startup. A profitable, no/slow-growth small business can be a great place to work at. The article is about a particular kind of startups - ones that aren't delivering on their promise of fast growth.

ghaff 8y ago
It seems there's also an implication that if you're not maximizing your expected income you're doing something wrong. People can make a reasonable choice to work for a smaller business (or, indeed, any type of organization) that doesn't pay the highest salaries for other reasons.
- intellectronica 8y ago
  Low wage means less than you can earn for doing exactly the same thing elsewhere. Of course people often compromise on wage to do something they are particularly interested in. In the case of unpaid internships or volunteer work people forego any monetary compensation. All other things being equal, though, you should seek to maximize your income.
  - ghaff 8y ago
    Well, sure. If every attribute other than salary is absolutely identical, of course there's no reason to accept a lower wage. But everything else is pretty much never going to be equal when it comes to professional jobs.
    - intellectronica 8y ago
      Startups, or companies pretending to be startups, usually offer lower wages for doing essentially the same technical work.
      - dasil003 8y ago
        Even taking this as granted, everything around the work, the people, the processes, the vision will differ.
extrapickles 8y ago
I generally call small businesses like that a lifestyle business rather than a startup. They don't return huge amounts of money, but they are not going to disappear overnight as they have the market cornered on one or two very small niches (eg: the entire worldwide demand for the product they offer is $0.5-5mil). In my experience, a lifestyle businesses has found a problem that a dozen or two midsized companies have and precisely solves it or produces a low volume customizable product. Basically the goal of the company is to keep the owners comfortable rather than play the unicorn lottery.
- vonmoltke 8y ago
  > Basically the goal of the company is to keep the owners comfortable rather than play the unicorn lottery. Why are those the only two options? What happened to "grow organically into a megacorp over 20-30 years"?
  - Fomite 8y ago
    Even beyond that, there's a huge space between "Keep their owners comfortable" and "Unicorns".
  - extrapickles 8y ago
    That would be a regular business. A lifestyle business the goal is to give the owner a job they like without the distractions a larger company would have because the owner/founder likes doing the work. It is possible to start lifestyle then transition to regular or be a blend (eg: currently lifestyle, but keeping a eye out to grow). Sparkfun is a example of this where the founder hired someone to be CEO so they can actually have time to do the stuff they love. [0]: https://www.sparkfun.com/news/2162 https://www.sparkfun.com/news/2162

ghaff 8y ago

It seems there's also an implication that if you're not maximizing your expected income you're doing something wrong. People can make a reasonable choice to work for a smaller business (or, indeed, any type of organization) that doesn't pay the highest salaries for other reasons.

intellectronica 8y ago
Low wage means less than you can earn for doing exactly the same thing elsewhere. Of course people often compromise on wage to do something they are particularly interested in. In the case of unpaid internships or volunteer work people forego any monetary compensation. All other things being equal, though, you should seek to maximize your income.
- ghaff 8y ago
  Well, sure. If every attribute other than salary is absolutely identical, of course there's no reason to accept a lower wage. But everything else is pretty much never going to be equal when it comes to professional jobs.
  - intellectronica 8y ago
    Startups, or companies pretending to be startups, usually offer lower wages for doing essentially the same technical work.
    - dasil003 8y ago
      Even taking this as granted, everything around the work, the people, the processes, the vision will differ.

extrapickles 8y ago

I generally call small businesses like that a lifestyle business rather than a startup. They don't return huge amounts of money, but they are not going to disappear overnight as they have the market cornered on one or two very small niches (eg: the entire worldwide demand for the product they offer is $0.5-5mil). In my experience, a lifestyle businesses has found a problem that a dozen or two midsized companies have and precisely solves it or produces a low volume customizable product. Basically the goal of the company is to keep the owners comfortable rather than play the unicorn lottery.

vonmoltke 8y ago
> Basically the goal of the company is to keep the owners comfortable rather than play the unicorn lottery. Why are those the only two options? What happened to "grow organically into a megacorp over 20-30 years"?
- Fomite 8y ago
  Even beyond that, there's a huge space between "Keep their owners comfortable" and "Unicorns".
- extrapickles 8y ago
  That would be a regular business. A lifestyle business the goal is to give the owner a job they like without the distractions a larger company would have because the owner/founder likes doing the work. It is possible to start lifestyle then transition to regular or be a blend (eg: currently lifestyle, but keeping a eye out to grow). Sparkfun is a example of this where the founder hired someone to be CEO so they can actually have time to do the stuff they love. [0]: https://www.sparkfun.com/news/2162 https://www.sparkfun.com/news/2162