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> Don't be annoyed at GDPR: be annoyed at all the companies who have spent the last decades building an entire web-infrastructure with zero respect for user pri

> Don't be annoyed at GDPR: be annoyed at all the companies who have spent the last decades building an entire web-infrastructure with zero respect for user privacy. What about people who had absolutely no issue with the tracking and "privacy" concerns? I don't care if advertisers target me. If I do care, I use incognito sessions. I'm happy with all the free services I get on the internet and I don't mind giving them a bit of information about myself especially since I've literally never clicked on an ad, ever, so their efforts aren't even effective. I think there's a small minority of people who care about this stuff, they just had loud voices and the ability to push global legislation through to make everyone else's life more difficult.

KozmoNau7 8y ago
Good, you can opt in to tracking and profiling, if you wish. The rest of us would rather abolish this flagrant abuse of personal information.
- nybble41 8y ago
  > Good, you can opt in to tracking and profiling, if you wish. What we wish is to be able to opt-in once and for all, to get rid of these incessant interstitial pop-ups sprouting like mushrooms across the Internet. Perhaps we could introduce a new HTTP header X-GDPR-Consent-Granted, controlled by a checkbox in the browser, to explicitly acknowledge that yes, we know that anyone we interact with online is going to learn various things about us, some of which may be quite personal; that we accept this; and would you please just get out of the way and let us read the article we came here for already? If the intent was that anyone can decline without any change in service they should have just declared consent irrelevant. No one wants to be accosted 50 times a day for something so trivial, and the answer is obvious—the law prohibits offering any incentive to consent, so the only reason for anyone to grant consent is that they didn't understand the question.
  - miracle2k 8y ago
    I think the way this would play out is that sites would attempt to only respect the header if consent is granted, and would prefer to still show the popup to those who set a header indicating to deny consent. In that case, it would be interesting to see what percentage of users are willing to deal to trade their data in exchange for being not bothered. I would guess though that businesses would be wary that supporting such a header would legally put them in a position to also support a deny version of it.
  - KozmoNau7 8y ago
    >"What we wish is to be able to opt-in once and for all, to get rid of these incessant interstitial pop-ups sprouting like mushrooms across the Internet." If they implemented GDPR correctly and in a sensible manner, you would get one popup per site, once. You would give your consent to data collection and usage, and they would save that preference in a cookie or your profile settings for that site. Instead, they want to punish and irritate you into simply accepting whatever they say, in order for the popups to go away. It's completely deliberate. They could also simply support the Do Not Track header, or a "Please Track Me" counterpart. But they won't do that, because that would make it too easy to escape data collection and profiling, and wouldn't let them annoy you into accepting their onerous terms.
    - nybble41 8y ago
      > If they implemented GDPR correctly and in a sensible manner, you would get one popup per site, once. You would give your consent to data collection and usage, and they would save that preference in a cookie or your profile settings for that site. And how is that supposed to work, exactly? If you choose "deny" then they can't track you, so they can't set a cookie or save profile data! Of course you'll get the same prompt the next time you show up. At that point you're just another anonymous visitor of whom they have no prior knowledge. You have to consent before they are allowed to remember your preference. The same issue applies if you grant consent but take your own measures to thwart tracking, such as limiting cookie lifetime. The next time you show up they don't remember you and must ask again, or else give up and assume that no one ever grants consent. If you are already signed in to an account that is a different matter, of course, but even for the minority of sites where I would have an account signing in would generally be more trouble than dealing with the pop-up, and thus not an improvement. > ... into accepting their onerous terms. There is nothing "onerous" about their terms. They have every right to require your consent in exchange for their services, the GDPR's infringement of that right notwithstanding. For that matter, they have every right to collect, store, and make use of whatever data they are able to gather from your interaction with their service without your consent. The law in this case is blatantly one-sided, and consequently unjust—you aren't forced to beg for their consent to remember and/or communicate whatever data you can gather about the them. For that matter, where is the GDPR equivalent for the government? They collect more information, and more personal information, than anyone else. Based on the same principles as the GDPR, you should be able to opt out of all those income and sales tax reporting forms, for a start, or demand that they delete you from all their databases, with no change in services received.
pengstrom 8y ago
I see no issue with opt-in as default (which GDPR requires). Then people can make informed decisions and choose to be tracked, while less technical and privacy-mined people don't get tracked.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  I think the grandparent post does a good job describing the problem with it. It's a UX nightmare to the point where it doesn't even accomplish what it set out to accomplish.
- vsl 8y ago
  You’re not in EU, are you? Everyone defending GDPR around here should be required to take a one week trip to EU and spend some time online while there.
klibertp 8y ago
> I use incognito sessions. If you think these do anything at all to prevent tracking, you're unfortunately sadly mistaken :( > a bit of information about myself "A bit"? That's... well, the only thing I can say is that you indeed seem not to care about this.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  > If you think these do anything at all to prevent tracking, you're unfortunately sadly mistaken :( It definitely stops them from identifying me as logged into Facebook, Twitter... via social share buttons. > "A bit"? That's... well, the only thing I can say is that you indeed seem not to care about this. Correct, and I wonder what harm people who complain about this have actually ever come to?

KozmoNau7 8y ago

Good, you can opt in to tracking and profiling, if you wish. The rest of us would rather abolish this flagrant abuse of personal information.

nybble41 8y ago
> Good, you can opt in to tracking and profiling, if you wish. What we wish is to be able to opt-in once and for all, to get rid of these incessant interstitial pop-ups sprouting like mushrooms across the Internet. Perhaps we could introduce a new HTTP header X-GDPR-Consent-Granted, controlled by a checkbox in the browser, to explicitly acknowledge that yes, we know that anyone we interact with online is going to learn various things about us, some of which may be quite personal; that we accept this; and would you please just get out of the way and let us read the article we came here for already? If the intent was that anyone can decline without any change in service they should have just declared consent irrelevant. No one wants to be accosted 50 times a day for something so trivial, and the answer is obvious—the law prohibits offering any incentive to consent, so the only reason for anyone to grant consent is that they didn't understand the question.
- miracle2k 8y ago
  I think the way this would play out is that sites would attempt to only respect the header if consent is granted, and would prefer to still show the popup to those who set a header indicating to deny consent. In that case, it would be interesting to see what percentage of users are willing to deal to trade their data in exchange for being not bothered. I would guess though that businesses would be wary that supporting such a header would legally put them in a position to also support a deny version of it.
- KozmoNau7 8y ago
  >"What we wish is to be able to opt-in once and for all, to get rid of these incessant interstitial pop-ups sprouting like mushrooms across the Internet." If they implemented GDPR correctly and in a sensible manner, you would get one popup per site, once. You would give your consent to data collection and usage, and they would save that preference in a cookie or your profile settings for that site. Instead, they want to punish and irritate you into simply accepting whatever they say, in order for the popups to go away. It's completely deliberate. They could also simply support the Do Not Track header, or a "Please Track Me" counterpart. But they won't do that, because that would make it too easy to escape data collection and profiling, and wouldn't let them annoy you into accepting their onerous terms.
  - nybble41 8y ago
    > If they implemented GDPR correctly and in a sensible manner, you would get one popup per site, once. You would give your consent to data collection and usage, and they would save that preference in a cookie or your profile settings for that site. And how is that supposed to work, exactly? If you choose "deny" then they can't track you, so they can't set a cookie or save profile data! Of course you'll get the same prompt the next time you show up. At that point you're just another anonymous visitor of whom they have no prior knowledge. You have to consent before they are allowed to remember your preference. The same issue applies if you grant consent but take your own measures to thwart tracking, such as limiting cookie lifetime. The next time you show up they don't remember you and must ask again, or else give up and assume that no one ever grants consent. If you are already signed in to an account that is a different matter, of course, but even for the minority of sites where I would have an account signing in would generally be more trouble than dealing with the pop-up, and thus not an improvement. > ... into accepting their onerous terms. There is nothing "onerous" about their terms. They have every right to require your consent in exchange for their services, the GDPR's infringement of that right notwithstanding. For that matter, they have every right to collect, store, and make use of whatever data they are able to gather from your interaction with their service without your consent. The law in this case is blatantly one-sided, and consequently unjust—you aren't forced to beg for their consent to remember and/or communicate whatever data you can gather about the them. For that matter, where is the GDPR equivalent for the government? They collect more information, and more personal information, than anyone else. Based on the same principles as the GDPR, you should be able to opt out of all those income and sales tax reporting forms, for a start, or demand that they delete you from all their databases, with no change in services received.

pengstrom 8y ago

I see no issue with opt-in as default (which GDPR requires). Then people can make informed decisions and choose to be tracked, while less technical and privacy-mined people don't get tracked.

malvosenior 8y ago
I think the grandparent post does a good job describing the problem with it. It's a UX nightmare to the point where it doesn't even accomplish what it set out to accomplish.
vsl 8y ago
You’re not in EU, are you? Everyone defending GDPR around here should be required to take a one week trip to EU and spend some time online while there.

klibertp 8y ago

> I use incognito sessions. If you think these do anything at all to prevent tracking, you're unfortunately sadly mistaken :( > a bit of information about myself "A bit"? That's... well, the only thing I can say is that you indeed seem not to care about this.

malvosenior 8y ago
> If you think these do anything at all to prevent tracking, you're unfortunately sadly mistaken :( It definitely stops them from identifying me as logged into Facebook, Twitter... via social share buttons. > "A bit"? That's... well, the only thing I can say is that you indeed seem not to care about this. Correct, and I wonder what harm people who complain about this have actually ever come to?