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Because I can read and understand a context of a video game, a map, vision, etc. So now it's reduced the problem to creating a general human AI. Good luck! FW

Because I can read and understand a context of a video game, a map, vision, etc. So now it's reduced the problem to creating a general human AI. Good luck! FWIW, a (ML) bot can beat Mario with just the x-value - what a human understands by viewing the screen.

roenxi 8y ago
> Because I can read and understand a context of a video game, a map, vision, etc. Did you spontaneously figure out how to read? I put it to you that you didn't, and that you were taught how to by someone else. I'd also put that the entire concept of interaction has to be a learned thing in practice, because realistically nobody learns how it works without interacting with someone else who is already reasonably knowledgeable. Now obviously that AI can't read because we don't have a good way of telling it how to map glyphs to concepts that it understands. However, to call the glyph->concept mapping the core challenge of a Pokemon game is clearly silly. The concept of there being something off the edge of the map on screen isn't something you are figuring out from the game either, it is just an assumption from knowledge that the real world is larger than what you can see. Similarly, that is obviously not an important aspect of the game - it is assumed knowledge. The challenge of the game is to navigate and explore a simple world, figuring out which order of actions to take. Short-circuiting the knowledge acquired through reading and the priors about how a world behaves is completely fair when saying that an artificial intelligence has been developed and can beat the game. A human player is expected to already know how to do that too.
- kurtisc 8y ago
  If you tell it directly what the meaning of the text is then I disagree, you've done the hard part. Then it's not beating Pokemon, it's beating the next task on your list, e.g. 'Go and get this thing from this city and bring it to this person in this city'. The alternative is don't go for teaching it the meaning at all, where there is a functionally zero chance of it randomly taking the plot token to the right place and then realising it can progress further.

roenxi 8y ago

> Because I can read and understand a context of a video game, a map, vision, etc. Did you spontaneously figure out how to read? I put it to you that you didn't, and that you were taught how to by someone else. I'd also put that the entire concept of interaction has to be a learned thing in practice, because realistically nobody learns how it works without interacting with someone else who is already reasonably knowledgeable. Now obviously that AI can't read because we don't have a good way of telling it how to map glyphs to concepts that it understands. However, to call the glyph->concept mapping the core challenge of a Pokemon game is clearly silly. The concept of there being something off the edge of the map on screen isn't something you are figuring out from the game either, it is just an assumption from knowledge that the real world is larger than what you can see. Similarly, that is obviously not an important aspect of the game - it is assumed knowledge. The challenge of the game is to navigate and explore a simple world, figuring out which order of actions to take. Short-circuiting the knowledge acquired through reading and the priors about how a world behaves is completely fair when saying that an artificial intelligence has been developed and can beat the game. A human player is expected to already know how to do that too.

kurtisc 8y ago
If you tell it directly what the meaning of the text is then I disagree, you've done the hard part. Then it's not beating Pokemon, it's beating the next task on your list, e.g. 'Go and get this thing from this city and bring it to this person in this city'. The alternative is don't go for teaching it the meaning at all, where there is a functionally zero chance of it randomly taking the plot token to the right place and then realising it can progress further.