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Are you a Mexican? If not, would you also consider it okay if the military of your country conducted drone strikes and used thermobaric bombs with "acceptable l

Are you a Mexican? If not, would you also consider it okay if the military of your country conducted drone strikes and used thermobaric bombs with "acceptable level of collateral damage" for extrajudicial killings of fellow citizens in your own country? I would find this totally unacceptable. I also find extrajudicial killings by drone strikes in other countries totally unacceptable but in my own country I'd consider such practices even worse.

kolderman 8y ago
So how's the current approach working out for you?
- 3131s 8y ago
  Your idea is just to magnify the current approach, not change it.
yetihehe 8y ago
If it was bombs against someone who is subverting whole justice system of a country - yes.
- unixhero 8y ago
  Subverting the whole justice system... Hmm. That sounds comically familiar :)
  - yetihehe 8y ago
    Not to everyone, sadly. Could you tell us more?
    - sakarisson 8y ago
      I think humor comes from the fact that governments bombing people they don't like is subverting the justice system.
      - yetihehe 8y ago
        Or maybe it's a way to take someone out without risking lives of many of your own people. Bringing them to court could just be too hard. But yeah, it's subverting of justice process. We should just send them notices about court cases and they will come if they're respecting law...
    - unixhero 8y ago
      Sure I'll elaborate. From the standpoint of words, about "subverting the whole justice system". So here is why this is comical to me. On the one hand, the original commenter is right. An agent who can destabilize the entire justice and legal system of a country deserve be eliminated by extreme force - at least it would be nice to see that in Mexico, a country so decimated institutionally by the drug cartels. The country has an active insurgency and is not far off from a failed state. Where does the comedy come in? Well the other side of this coin. What is is going on in the US? There is an active agent trying to undermine the justice system and the judiciary. For different reasons, but the result can be said to be comparable. It is the very president of the united states, Donald Trump! That is precisely what the President Of The United States Donald Trump is doing. He is actively trying to undermine the FBI, firing James Comey, bullying the Secretary General in a weird way, manipulating evidence of the Muller investigation. Trump has even gone so far as to say that he will probably do what he can to manipulate and restrain the justice department. I guess also by - by proxy - appointing someone such as Kavenaugh as a judge for the court of supreme justice. Maybe it's not comical...It's tragicomic. I don't know. Maybe we don't even have a word for this. Reddit calls it the "Witnessing events occurring in the Darkest Timeline." I tend to agree, this must be the darkest timeline. For more information on the creation of the justice system and the FBI, I recommend watching the movie Hoover. Although probably brief, biased and Hollywood'ised - I like the way it presents the creation of the FBI. For more information about the charades of the sitting government in the US, watch the entirety of season 04 to season 05 of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. These are my views. I am not american, and beyond a degree in Political Science, I probably don't know enough to make an informed statement about this. One thing is certain, we set on the other side of the pond, gasping while watching th e events unfolding each and every week of the Trump administration.
- lawlessone 8y ago
  Turns out they live in the house next to you, oops..
  - peteretep 8y ago
    What makes my life special such that I should be allowed to not accidentally lose my life to save my country?
  - yetihehe 8y ago
    I wouldn't want to live next to El Chapo and I didn't talk about typical neighbourhood drug dealer. It's about scale. There are many people I don't like, some of them even politicians but I wouldn't suggest harming them in any way.
    - lawlessone 8y ago
      I'm sorry ,it's just so damn easy for you to volunteer other peoples lives to be collateral damage in an extra judicial killing when you know statistically it won't be you.
      - yetihehe 8y ago
        If I had no other chance but to live near such criminals, I would try to suicide-bomb them, but that would probably be too hard and counter-productive because of layers of security with which those people surround. What would YOU do if you had to live near such criminals?
        pulisse 8y ago
        > If I had no other chance but to live near such criminals, I would try to suicide-bomb them Your confidence that you'd sacrifice yourself heroically in circumstances it's utterly certain you'll never find yourself in is admirable.
        lawlessone 8y ago
        >What would YOU do if you had to live near such criminals? Well not kill myself for a start...
peteretep 8y ago
> If not, would you also consider it okay if the military of your country conducted drone strikes and used thermobaric bombs with "acceptable level of collateral damage" for extrajudicial killings of fellow citizens in your own country It would entirely depend on the situation, but without doubt there are levels of crime and depravity I could find myself surrounded by where I'd welcome it. Duterte's extra-judicial killings are far from unpopular. Also: did occupied Western Europe want to be liberated, despite the inevitable collateral damage? I'd expect largely the answer was yes.
- jpmoral 8y ago
  Anyone who thinks the extra-judicial killings are actually solving any problems in the Philippines is naive.
  - peteretep 8y ago
    Citation?
    - jonathanstrange 8y ago
      Any introductory textbook on moral philosophy or philosophy of law should do.
      - peteretep 8y ago
        Ah, there I was thinking someone had data and not simply their opinion.
        jonathanstrange 8y ago
        What do you know? I've studied this. The fact that you believe that moral insight can somehow be produced from data about the status quo tells me that you haven't.
    - jpmoral 8y ago

kolderman 8y ago

So how's the current approach working out for you?

3131s 8y ago
Your idea is just to magnify the current approach, not change it.

yetihehe 8y ago

If it was bombs against someone who is subverting whole justice system of a country - yes.

unixhero 8y ago
Subverting the whole justice system... Hmm. That sounds comically familiar :)
- yetihehe 8y ago
  Not to everyone, sadly. Could you tell us more?
  - sakarisson 8y ago
    I think humor comes from the fact that governments bombing people they don't like is subverting the justice system.
    - yetihehe 8y ago
      Or maybe it's a way to take someone out without risking lives of many of your own people. Bringing them to court could just be too hard. But yeah, it's subverting of justice process. We should just send them notices about court cases and they will come if they're respecting law...
  - unixhero 8y ago
    Sure I'll elaborate. From the standpoint of words, about "subverting the whole justice system". So here is why this is comical to me. On the one hand, the original commenter is right. An agent who can destabilize the entire justice and legal system of a country deserve be eliminated by extreme force - at least it would be nice to see that in Mexico, a country so decimated institutionally by the drug cartels. The country has an active insurgency and is not far off from a failed state. Where does the comedy come in? Well the other side of this coin. What is is going on in the US? There is an active agent trying to undermine the justice system and the judiciary. For different reasons, but the result can be said to be comparable. It is the very president of the united states, Donald Trump! That is precisely what the President Of The United States Donald Trump is doing. He is actively trying to undermine the FBI, firing James Comey, bullying the Secretary General in a weird way, manipulating evidence of the Muller investigation. Trump has even gone so far as to say that he will probably do what he can to manipulate and restrain the justice department. I guess also by - by proxy - appointing someone such as Kavenaugh as a judge for the court of supreme justice. Maybe it's not comical...It's tragicomic. I don't know. Maybe we don't even have a word for this. Reddit calls it the "Witnessing events occurring in the Darkest Timeline." I tend to agree, this must be the darkest timeline. For more information on the creation of the justice system and the FBI, I recommend watching the movie Hoover. Although probably brief, biased and Hollywood'ised - I like the way it presents the creation of the FBI. For more information about the charades of the sitting government in the US, watch the entirety of season 04 to season 05 of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. These are my views. I am not american, and beyond a degree in Political Science, I probably don't know enough to make an informed statement about this. One thing is certain, we set on the other side of the pond, gasping while watching th e events unfolding each and every week of the Trump administration.
lawlessone 8y ago
Turns out they live in the house next to you, oops..
- peteretep 8y ago
  What makes my life special such that I should be allowed to not accidentally lose my life to save my country?
- yetihehe 8y ago
  I wouldn't want to live next to El Chapo and I didn't talk about typical neighbourhood drug dealer. It's about scale. There are many people I don't like, some of them even politicians but I wouldn't suggest harming them in any way.
  - lawlessone 8y ago
    I'm sorry ,it's just so damn easy for you to volunteer other peoples lives to be collateral damage in an extra judicial killing when you know statistically it won't be you.
    - yetihehe 8y ago
      If I had no other chance but to live near such criminals, I would try to suicide-bomb them, but that would probably be too hard and counter-productive because of layers of security with which those people surround. What would YOU do if you had to live near such criminals?
      - pulisse 8y ago
        > If I had no other chance but to live near such criminals, I would try to suicide-bomb them Your confidence that you'd sacrifice yourself heroically in circumstances it's utterly certain you'll never find yourself in is admirable.
      - lawlessone 8y ago
        >What would YOU do if you had to live near such criminals? Well not kill myself for a start...

peteretep 8y ago

> If not, would you also consider it okay if the military of your country conducted drone strikes and used thermobaric bombs with "acceptable level of collateral damage" for extrajudicial killings of fellow citizens in your own country It would entirely depend on the situation, but without doubt there are levels of crime and depravity I could find myself surrounded by where I'd welcome it. Duterte's extra-judicial killings are far from unpopular. Also: did occupied Western Europe want to be liberated, despite the inevitable collateral damage? I'd expect largely the answer was yes.

jpmoral 8y ago
Anyone who thinks the extra-judicial killings are actually solving any problems in the Philippines is naive.
- peteretep 8y ago
  Citation?
  - jonathanstrange 8y ago
    Any introductory textbook on moral philosophy or philosophy of law should do.
    - peteretep 8y ago
      Ah, there I was thinking someone had data and not simply their opinion.
      - jonathanstrange 8y ago
        What do you know? I've studied this. The fact that you believe that moral insight can somehow be produced from data about the status quo tells me that you haven't.
  - jpmoral 8y ago