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'Back to the Mac' Official Apple Livestream
- martythemaniak 16y agoGreat, Quicktime. If only it were available in a more open format, like Flash.
- jsz0 16y agoApple has documented HTTP Live Streaming as an Internet-Draft, the first stage in the process of submitting it to the IETF as a proposed Internet standard.
- martythemaniak 16y agoFabulous. Except until it actually becomes reality, you're stuck with Quicktime (or if you're on Linux, you're just plain stuck).
- onedognight 16y agoffmpeg supports Apple's live streaming format which is open.
- mambodog 16y agoAs for a player, I believe there is support for it in the VLC nightlies.
- onedognight 16y agoffplay http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1010qwoeiuryfg/sl.m3u8 http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1010qwoeiuryfg/sl.m3u8
- Keyframe 16y agoJust tried it, it doesn't have support in it.
- yesbabyyes 16y agoIt works, for me, in mplayer: mplayer http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1010qwoeiuryfg/sl.m3u8 http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1010qwoeiuryfg/sl.m3u8
- kingsley_20 16y agoI think martythemaniak is making a joke about Apple claiming that Android is not really "open."
- martythemaniak 16y agoPartly yes. A few months ago I saw the google IO link here, clicked on it and worked (Youtube live stream). I see this, I click it, and I get a half-broken page telling me I can't view this. I then have the option of fishing for a URL, googling how to use it on my system, follow the advice (installing any codecs or applications if necessary) and finally maybe viewing it. Now, what does Apple say about user experience again?
- msbarnett 16y ago> Now, what does Apple say about user experience again? That you'd have a better one if you were using their products. That's the whole sales pitch, after all.
- oomkiller 16y agoDoesn't seem to work for me in Chrome, works fine in Webkit/Safari. Here's the direct URL: http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1010qwoeiuryfg/sl.m3u8 http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1010qwoeiuryfg/sl.m3u8
- kreek 16y agoHeh, I tried Chrome for the last event and got the same "check back later" message and though it was too busy. I didn't even see the 'Streaming video requires Safari 4 or 5 on Mac OS X Snow Leopard or Safari on iOS 3 or later' message. Would a Flash fallback kill them ;)
- nerdyworm 16y agohttp://live.gizmodo.com/ http://live.gizmodo.com/ flash stream.
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- ojbyrne 16y agohttp://techcrunch.com/2010/10/20/apple-to-livestream-todays-event-to-apple-devices-only/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29 http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/20/apple-to-livestream-todays-... Apple says "Safari on Snow Leopard or IOS 3 or above only." There's a link there on how to get it on other computers.
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- nphase 16y agoHas always worked for me on the iPad. Funny, how that works out.
- mbateman 16y agoWow, there's going to be a Mac app store. EDIT: Looks more or less like iTunes. No word on the submission or approval process. Steve said something (can't remember what exactly) that indicated that this wasn't going to be the only way to get apps.
- tvon 16y agonote that it's not in iTunes, thankfully. Also, check the open/close buttons, they're inline with the toolbar..
- mambodog 16y agoBut they are still 'floating' in space (rather than top-aligned), and there appears to be no discrete 'title bar' area... I'm not too hot on this particular design myself.
- CountHackulus 16y agoSo basically it looks like it's going to be a package manager on a unix-like system with a pretty front end and review from people I don't care about.
- lzw 16y agoExcept that it won't suck.
- tvon 16y agoThat's certainly one way to put it...
- iloveponies 16y agoOn that note, I am interested to see how long it takes for open source projects to get onto the Apple sanctioned store, but also for someone to create a clone of it (like Cydia, somewhat)
- allwein 16y agoIf you're a registered Mac Developer, everything you need to know is already up at developer.apple.com This includes submission and approval processes, documentation, etc.
- mlinsey 16y agoMulti-touch gestures, App store, home screens, full-screen apps, auto save, auto resume apps when launched. As long as the App Store isn't the only way to put software on my Mac, sounds like a great idea to me.
- mambodog 16y agoAs long as the App Store isn't the only way to put software on my Mac, sounds like a great idea to me. I heard Steve specifically say something along the lines of "it's not the only way" when introducing the Mac App Store.
- akmiller 16y agoIt will become the de facto way people look for applications and if yours isn't there, then it may as well not exist.
- bconway 16y agoAs long as the App Store isn't the only way to put software on my Mac, sounds like a great idea to me. That will be in Lion + 1. Gotta warm the users up to it, first.
- richbradshaw 16y agoI'd be incredibly surprised - being able to compile form source is kind of vital for many users.
- lzw 16y agoPeople assume apple wants absolute control. They don't. They want absolutely great user experiences. Personal Computers are a different category from mobile devices. Apple keeps your mobile device safe, but lets you browse any website you want, because the damage is minimal. On your computer, apple lets you do whatever you want.
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- sahillavingia 16y agoMy notes (from a UI/iOS guy's view): http://sahillavingia.com/blog/2010/10/20/notes-from-apples-back-to-the-mac-keynote/ http://sahillavingia.com/blog/2010/10/20/notes-from-apples-b...
- chrisbolt 16y agoFinally, a plus/maximize button that does something I want it to.
- younata 16y agoWho all is providing a liveblog? Some of us are in public places w/o headphones, I'd prefer to read it than to watch it.
- ajaxian 16y agohttp://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/live-from-apples-back-to-the-mac-event/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/live-from-apples-back-to-...
- jonhendry 16y agoApp store in 90 days. Submissions accepted starting in November.
- demallien 16y agoYeah. I'd write a longer comment, but I now have a hard deadline to get my Mac app finished. Thank you Apple!
- martythemaniak 16y agoSince getting a macbook, I've found the window management in OS X to be terribly confusing (Xmonad is easier to understand IMO), so I'm looking forward to seeing how the new window management features work. Hopefully this will solve my gripes.
- akamaka 16y agoXmonad is easier to understand IMO Ooh, that's harsh, but I feel your pain. If you like tiling, though, you may want to check this out (although I don't use it): http://www.mizage.com/divvy/ http://www.mizage.com/divvy/
- tvon 16y agoFacetime on OSX is expected but huge.
- eli 16y agoI don't really get it. Why is this a big deal?
- tvon 16y agoBecause every Mac laptop and iMac for the past ~3 (?) years has shipped with a built-in camera. edit: To be clear, "huge" is relative, it's a big deal for the potential legitimacy of Facetime since the potential user base just grew quite a bit.
- mike-cardwell 16y agoAll those people can use Skype. Skype is a more well known brand than FaceTime currently. Plus they can Skype their Windows buddies, but they can't FaceTime them. What was with the multiple references to a "FaceTime Camera" anyway? I'm assuming it's not FaceTime only. I wouldn't call my Macbooks cam a "Skype Camera" either...
- tvon 16y agoThey can still use Skype, and "something else is better known" has never been a reason not to introduce an alternative. And what you're seeing is branding. It used to be an iSight camera, now it's a FaceTime Camera.
- mike-cardwell 16y ago"has never been a reason not to introduce an alternative" If you read what I wrote again, you'll notice how I never suggested anything of the sort.
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- tvon 16y agoRe: the Air... Man, Apple has balls. The 11.6" is interesting, note it's 720p exactly (1366x768). Note also he said he sees it as the "future of the macbook", and the future of the macbook has no obviously removable/upgradable HDD (it's like RAM on the motherboard, so maybe it will somehow be upgradable). People who didn't like Apple products yesterday aren't going to like them today either, but it's interesting stuff... edit: Flash storage ranges from 64 gigs to 256 gigs (depending on size/choices).
- ojbyrne 16y agoI wonder if the Macbook Pro has a different future (or not).
- lukifer 16y agoLooked to me like the SSD is cooked right on to the motherboard.
- thaumaturgy 16y agoNot even an SSD, it's flash-meets-RAM.
- wmf 16y agoNo, it's an SSD without a case.
- thaumaturgy 16y agoI didn't spot anything that looked like a drive controller on-board. Form factor is much closer to RAM, too ... not that it matters much, it's just an interesting design decision.
- wmf 16y agoIn the leaked photo you can see the Toshiba SSD controller right next to the flash chips.
- ezy 16y agoOh look, a netbook. But 1.4G? Really? I love how they keep saying "fast processor" in the presentation, where "fast processor" is apparently two steps backwards in CPU technology. :-) The GPU is decent, however. Is it me, or does anyone else see the point? I hope this isn't the "future of notebooks", because that future would seem to be anemic performance.
- tvon 16y agoAh, but if it were a netbook it would be under $400.
- wmf 16y agoIt's faster than Atom. If you want real performance the MBP is there.
- lzw 16y agoWhich is also why it is not a netbook. Apple haters have it both ways- they complain the processor is too slow compared to a macbook pro, and that the price is too high compared to an atom running netbook. sigh.
- ugh 16y agoI don't care about speed as long as I don't notice it. What the MBA has is probably enough for the vast majority of users, only the RAM seems weak to me.
- ezy 16y agoYou're going to notice 1.4G. Anyone who has taken more than 1000 photos and has put them in iphoto is going to notice 1.4G, or actually tried to use garageband is going to notice 1.4G.
- glhaynes 16y agoThe bottleneck these days is so rarely CPU, it's disks. Doesn't look like the new Air has particularly speedy Flash storage, but it'll be so much faster than a spinning disk because of it. Keep the gigahertz, give me fast I/O.
- oneplusone 16y agoNo word on Lion having a new Finder app. It is once of the main reasons I prefer Windows over Mac. As an aside, the Mac App store is actually one of the ideas I applied to YC with. Guess that has no hope now.
- msbarnett 16y agoThey just re-wrote the Finder for Snow Leopard, so that was a bit of an unlikely wish.
- zdw 16y agoSpec on the Air are up: http://www.apple.com/macbookair/specs.html http://www.apple.com/macbookair/specs.html Factory upgradable processors, SSD, and memory (to 4GB).
- saturdaysaint 16y agoIt will be interesting to see if these 10.7 multitouch features work on my 3 1/2 year old Macbook Pro. Recent multitouch feature additions haven't worked, so I'm not terribly hopeful.
- sandipc 16y agopretty sure multitouch requires hardware support. The last gen non-unibody MBP is the oldest model to support most multitouch gestures (more than just two finger scrolling, which has been around for at least 4 years)
- Tycho 16y agoI keep thinking Apple (2000- present) is like The Beatles of my time. A streak of brilliance that will never be duplicated.
- philwelch 16y agoI think that comparison flatters The Beatles.