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I.e. your position is that state should be able to compel individual to run unwanted business?

by vl 8y ago

URSpider94 8y ago
He doesn’t have to run a business. He can let people park for free, or he can ban all parking and only open the road for drop-offs and walk-ins, and tow any cars that park there. What he can not do, is block the right-of-way providing access to the coastline.
hirsin 8y ago
Forced to maintain a road that was included in the easement he agreed to upon purchasing it, yes.
arrosenberg 8y ago
No, but the individual should not be able to block access because he doesn't want to run the business either. In California, the public has full access rights to the beaches. The individual has no right to deny the public access under State law.
JamesBarney 8y ago
Sure my argument is * He bought the business with full knowledge of what his obligations were under Californian law. * There is a huge difference between compelling an individual to run a business, and compelling him to not restrict access to the public. * This lawsuit was not because he stopped maintaining the road, or the bathrooms, but because he closed a road that allowed people access to the beach. * Government compels people to do all sorts of things, and not closing off public access to a beach after you paid $32 million for a private beach house seems like one of the least onerous.
394549 8y ago
> I.e. your position is that state should be able to compel individual to run unwanted business? I'm sure the state would be fine if he just opened access to the beach to everyone for free. No need to operate any business. This question about being "compel[led] to run unwanted business" is just a smokescreen to obscure a campaign to deny the public its rights.
sangnoir 8y ago
Here's a simple test for you to apply: what if Verizon decided it wants out of the 911 'business'? Certain resources (like spectrum, or the beach) belong to the people, in exchange of using those public resources, individuals often make some concessions on how they run their business.
- vl 8y ago
  But you can't compel Verizon to support 911 if they decide to get out of wireless communications business in the first place.

I.e. your position is that state should be able to compel individual to run unwanted business?

by vl 8y ago

I.e. your position is that state should be able to compel individual to run unwanted business?

He doesn’t have to run a business. He can let people park for free, or he can ban all parking and only open the road for drop-offs and walk-ins, and tow any cars that park there. What he can not do, is block the right-of-way providing access to the coastline.

hirsin 8y ago

Forced to maintain a road that was included in the easement he agreed to upon purchasing it, yes.

arrosenberg 8y ago

No, but the individual should not be able to block access because he doesn't want to run the business either. In California, the public has full access rights to the beaches. The individual has no right to deny the public access under State law.

JamesBarney 8y ago

Sure my argument is * He bought the business with full knowledge of what his obligations were under Californian law. * There is a huge difference between compelling an individual to run a business, and compelling him to not restrict access to the public. * This lawsuit was not because he stopped maintaining the road, or the bathrooms, but because he closed a road that allowed people access to the beach. * Government compels people to do all sorts of things, and not closing off public access to a beach after you paid $32 million for a private beach house seems like one of the least onerous.

394549 8y ago

> I.e. your position is that state should be able to compel individual to run unwanted business? I'm sure the state would be fine if he just opened access to the beach to everyone for free. No need to operate any business. This question about being "compel[led] to run unwanted business" is just a smokescreen to obscure a campaign to deny the public its rights.

sangnoir 8y ago

Here's a simple test for you to apply: what if Verizon decided it wants out of the 911 'business'? Certain resources (like spectrum, or the beach) belong to the people, in exchange of using those public resources, individuals often make some concessions on how they run their business.

vl 8y ago
But you can't compel Verizon to support 911 if they decide to get out of wireless communications business in the first place.