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How come in 2018 we can't get a reliable CallerID. Surely this is something that could be simply regulated. Perhaps there should be a few types of CallerID - v

by rb808 8y ago

How come in 2018 we can't get a reliable CallerID. Surely this is something that could be simply regulated. Perhaps there should be a few types of CallerID - verified, physical and nominated. Eg a company calls you with a verified ID (like TLS), a local number from a single line is physically authenticated and anything else is just a best guess. That way we can filter more reliably.

phkahler 8y ago
No options. Make it mandatory and make it unable to be faked.
- EamonnMR 8y ago
  It wouldn't really need to be mandatory, just something that cell providers and reputable businesses provided. Then phone companies could start rejecting anything that didn't provide it.
  - craftyguy 8y ago
    ... so, make it mandatory
  - cm2187 8y ago
    But how does the telco in the last node know the caller id is accurate? They can only tell that the data is coming in that direction but it could have been routed multiple times before (if phones work like the internet protocol). The only telco who can ensure that must be the one who initiated the call (exactly like IP spoofing).
joering2 8y ago
Most likely because majority of senate and congress-people want to always have option to hire cold calling companies to send their emergency message, be it some senator accused of using gov founds to sponsor his mistress or simply to get advantage in upcoming political race.
namibj 8y ago
In Germany we separately transmit the actual caller ID, which you can get shown based on your phone's UI. This can't be spoofed, or rather, it's illegal to do so under https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tkg_2004/__66k.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tkg_2004/__66k.html . "mit einer Geldbuße bis zu hunderttausend Euro," is the wording for how much you'll pay if you, with intent or through negligence, transmit a number you are not assigned when you are user, or, if you are a telco, meddle with this header field _at_all_ if you didn't generate it, or didn't make sure it's a valid numbering scheme and not some premium number/short-dial-code. It's not limited to this, and so far this has not been a problem in Germany, at least as far as the CLIP itself goes, as the CLIP -no-screening- which the user can provide through his PBX if configured and contracted does sometimes, but rarely, mess up. Also we have a caller-pays system with a split between fixed-area landlines and floating mobiles, which seems to alleviate some of the problems with robocallers (the cost to even just waste the caller's time).
aviv 8y ago
Same reason you still get junk mail. Money.

by rb808 8y ago

phkahler 8y ago

No options. Make it mandatory and make it unable to be faked.

EamonnMR 8y ago
It wouldn't really need to be mandatory, just something that cell providers and reputable businesses provided. Then phone companies could start rejecting anything that didn't provide it.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  ... so, make it mandatory
- cm2187 8y ago
  But how does the telco in the last node know the caller id is accurate? They can only tell that the data is coming in that direction but it could have been routed multiple times before (if phones work like the internet protocol). The only telco who can ensure that must be the one who initiated the call (exactly like IP spoofing).

joering2 8y ago

Most likely because majority of senate and congress-people want to always have option to hire cold calling companies to send their emergency message, be it some senator accused of using gov founds to sponsor his mistress or simply to get advantage in upcoming political race.

namibj 8y ago

In Germany we separately transmit the actual caller ID, which you can get shown based on your phone's UI. This can't be spoofed, or rather, it's illegal to do so under https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tkg_2004/__66k.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tkg_2004/__66k.html . "mit einer Geldbuße bis zu hunderttausend Euro," is the wording for how much you'll pay if you, with intent or through negligence, transmit a number you are not assigned when you are user, or, if you are a telco, meddle with this header field _at_all_ if you didn't generate it, or didn't make sure it's a valid numbering scheme and not some premium number/short-dial-code. It's not limited to this, and so far this has not been a problem in Germany, at least as far as the CLIP itself goes, as the CLIP -no-screening- which the user can provide through his PBX if configured and contracted does sometimes, but rarely, mess up. Also we have a caller-pays system with a split between fixed-area landlines and floating mobiles, which seems to alleviate some of the problems with robocallers (the cost to even just waste the caller's time).

aviv 8y ago

Same reason you still get junk mail. Money.