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Or even iOS. Just downloading all the apps takes many hours on a fast connection. Restoring 2FA is also a PITA

ryandrake 8y ago
I consider a few hours restoring from a backup while I sleep to be a pretty small price. To some people this might be a huge inconvenience, I suppose. I mean, think about it: Hours without access to Instagram. HOURS!!
- maxxxxx 8y ago
  How about not having a stable connection? That's something I encounter a lot where I travel.
  - ryandrake 8y ago
    So it might take a little longer. Who cares? It’s a phone.
- tokyodude 8y ago
  When I arrive at the airport I use my phone for maps, my travel info, my contacts, my reservations, busses, trains, taxis, uber, messages with people I'm coordinating with, my travel notes, etc... Or are you suggesting I should camp out in the airport for a few hours to restore my phone before I can figure out where I'm going and get ahold of my contacts? Oh let me guess. Your solution so to print those contacts and maps (oh, no GPS to figure out where I am on that map) and use a pay phone (because I still need to re-install the apps I'd normally be using to contact people). Heck, I don't actually have phone numbers for > 90% of my friends. I just have them on Facebook, Line, WhatsApp. The only people I have phone numbers for are for people who've been friends longer than about 15 years, in other words before messaging
  - ryandrake 8y ago
    Maybe I’m just too old or unimaginative, but none of these objections seem like serious showstoppers to me. This is straying far from the original topic but now I’m curious: How would you survive if you were to accidentally lose your phone while traveling, or if it got stolen? One can (and should) be capable of being a functioning adult without a cell phone.
    - maxxxxx 8y ago
      This discussion is about taking a phone with you while travelling and be secure from border searches. Sure, you can leave the home but this is not the point of the discussion.
    - rand0mbits 8y ago
      Why is this about survival? My commute to work is 20 miles. I drive because it's convenient, quick, and practical. I would survive without a car. I could walk for 6+ hours, work for 8 hours (snacking while I work), and then walk another 6+ hours back home. Or I could pitch a tent in my office parking lot and just live out of it during the week. It would be shitty survival, but doable, right? It's absolutely possible traveling without a smartphone. I've done it plenty of times before smartphones became a thing. But smartphones make it so much easier.
  - thrower123 8y ago
    These are all problems you have created by over-dependance on a single point of failure. It's honestly kind of lazy not to take precautions, particularly when it's that easy - you've already listed out exactly what I'd suggest, and it's how people muddled along for decades in the before-times, more or less successfully. I would suggest learning how to read maps. It's really easy, especially in urban areas. Find the nearest intersection, and look where it is on the map. There you are.
    - maxxxxx 8y ago
      What a condescending comment.
lemming 8y ago
And when I travel, I usually stay at hotels which means crappy internet.

I consider a few hours restoring from a backup while I sleep to be a pretty small price. To some people this might be a huge inconvenience, I suppose. I mean, think about it: Hours without access to Instagram. HOURS!!

maxxxxx 8y ago
How about not having a stable connection? That's something I encounter a lot where I travel.
- ryandrake 8y ago
  So it might take a little longer. Who cares? It’s a phone.
tokyodude 8y ago
When I arrive at the airport I use my phone for maps, my travel info, my contacts, my reservations, busses, trains, taxis, uber, messages with people I'm coordinating with, my travel notes, etc... Or are you suggesting I should camp out in the airport for a few hours to restore my phone before I can figure out where I'm going and get ahold of my contacts? Oh let me guess. Your solution so to print those contacts and maps (oh, no GPS to figure out where I am on that map) and use a pay phone (because I still need to re-install the apps I'd normally be using to contact people). Heck, I don't actually have phone numbers for > 90% of my friends. I just have them on Facebook, Line, WhatsApp. The only people I have phone numbers for are for people who've been friends longer than about 15 years, in other words before messaging
- ryandrake 8y ago
  Maybe I’m just too old or unimaginative, but none of these objections seem like serious showstoppers to me. This is straying far from the original topic but now I’m curious: How would you survive if you were to accidentally lose your phone while traveling, or if it got stolen? One can (and should) be capable of being a functioning adult without a cell phone.
  - maxxxxx 8y ago
    This discussion is about taking a phone with you while travelling and be secure from border searches. Sure, you can leave the home but this is not the point of the discussion.
  - rand0mbits 8y ago
    Why is this about survival? My commute to work is 20 miles. I drive because it's convenient, quick, and practical. I would survive without a car. I could walk for 6+ hours, work for 8 hours (snacking while I work), and then walk another 6+ hours back home. Or I could pitch a tent in my office parking lot and just live out of it during the week. It would be shitty survival, but doable, right? It's absolutely possible traveling without a smartphone. I've done it plenty of times before smartphones became a thing. But smartphones make it so much easier.
- thrower123 8y ago
  These are all problems you have created by over-dependance on a single point of failure. It's honestly kind of lazy not to take precautions, particularly when it's that easy - you've already listed out exactly what I'd suggest, and it's how people muddled along for decades in the before-times, more or less successfully. I would suggest learning how to read maps. It's really easy, especially in urban areas. Find the nearest intersection, and look where it is on the map. There you are.
  - maxxxxx 8y ago
    What a condescending comment.

lemming 8y ago

And when I travel, I usually stay at hotels which means crappy internet.