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> In India, where I grew up, a person from a "lower" caste(not backed by financial standing, only birth status) is given a lower standard to clear to say becom

> In India, where I grew up, a person from a "lower" caste(not backed by financial standing, only birth status) is given a lower standard to clear to say becoming a doctor. Which only leads to bullshit doctors. I'd like to see a credible source to this statement.

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reacharavindh 8y ago
I'm in a plane, and cant supply sources at the moment, sorry. Personal anecdotal evidence from 2003. I finished school, and applied for studying engineering. There is a "cutoff" for colleges and programs. Because I was not born in a "backward caste", I needed to get 92.4% to get into the program I aspired to. Whereas, someone who was born in a "lower caste" and has a paper that says so, will only need something to the tune of 65-68(don't remember the exact number) to get into the same program. As far as I know things have not changed for the better in decades. For what it's worth, the person with that piece of paper might be a millionaire, and their parents more educated than mine, and it doesn't matter, they get ahead of me with lower score.
- simion314 8y ago
  >For what it's worth, the person with that piece of paper might be a millionaire, and their parents more educated than mine, and it doesn't matter, they get ahead of me with lower score. So what is a better solution in your opinion in a country where you say the corruption is very high? Poor people can't afford tutoring with the "right" professor, buying books from the same "right" professor or buying the exams questions for the same professors, or later buying the exams and paying for poor people to write theyr projects and thesis. I this corrupt environment I assume a rich medical student will obviously have the bigger grades and grab the "money making jobs"
  - wolfgke 8y ago
    > Poor people can't afford [...] buying books from the same "right" professor For books, there is (luckily) Library Genesis.
    - simion314 8y ago
      That is not enough because the professor will ask you to buy his books, also you can tutor with that professor and he will give you the questions for the exams(my experience is from Romania 15 years ago where corruptions was/is big enough) Edit: To be fair and paint a correct image not all professors are corrupt, there professors that are fair and there are ones that are also very good as teaching not only good at their domains, unfortunately the corrupt ones are the ones with higher positions probably are the ones better are politics.
      - miluge 8y ago
        That's my experience in Romania too and being a foreigner that made the stats look good, gave me an edge over my colleagues.
        simion314 8y ago
        I hope you also found some of the good professors that are great at teaching and inspiring, at my time there were still such professors.
- denzil_correa 8y ago
  > There is a "cutoff" for colleges and programs. Because I was not born in a "backward caste", I needed to get 92.4% to get into the program I aspired to. Whereas, someone who was born in a "lower caste" and has a paper that says so, will only need something to the tune of 65-68(don't remember the exact number) to get into the same program. Your initial claim was about "affirmative actions leading to bullshit doctors". Your current comment talks about "affirmative action implementation".
nabla9 8y ago
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4858461/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4858461/ >India is the only country where medical seats are officially sold, therefore, acknowledging the importance of money power over merit (6). In private medical colleges significant numbers of seats are paid seats at undergraduate and post graduate levels, which are beyond the payment capacity of a common person.
BeetleB 8y ago
Google gives me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action#India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action#India
jeffreyrogers 8y ago
Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India
- denzil_correa 8y ago
  I'd like to clarify that I was asking a source for "Reservation leading to bullshit doctors". Not the fact there is "Reservation in India".
urmish 8y ago
caste based reservations are a real thing. Every government institute or any institute which takes govt funding has to allocate seats to OBC,SC,ST,NT tribes and castes. https://www.google.com/search?q=obc+sc+st+education+reservations https://www.google.com/search?q=obc+sc+st+education+reservat...

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reacharavindh 8y ago

I'm in a plane, and cant supply sources at the moment, sorry. Personal anecdotal evidence from 2003. I finished school, and applied for studying engineering. There is a "cutoff" for colleges and programs. Because I was not born in a "backward caste", I needed to get 92.4% to get into the program I aspired to. Whereas, someone who was born in a "lower caste" and has a paper that says so, will only need something to the tune of 65-68(don't remember the exact number) to get into the same program. As far as I know things have not changed for the better in decades. For what it's worth, the person with that piece of paper might be a millionaire, and their parents more educated than mine, and it doesn't matter, they get ahead of me with lower score.

simion314 8y ago
>For what it's worth, the person with that piece of paper might be a millionaire, and their parents more educated than mine, and it doesn't matter, they get ahead of me with lower score. So what is a better solution in your opinion in a country where you say the corruption is very high? Poor people can't afford tutoring with the "right" professor, buying books from the same "right" professor or buying the exams questions for the same professors, or later buying the exams and paying for poor people to write theyr projects and thesis. I this corrupt environment I assume a rich medical student will obviously have the bigger grades and grab the "money making jobs"
- wolfgke 8y ago
  > Poor people can't afford [...] buying books from the same "right" professor For books, there is (luckily) Library Genesis.
  - simion314 8y ago
    That is not enough because the professor will ask you to buy his books, also you can tutor with that professor and he will give you the questions for the exams(my experience is from Romania 15 years ago where corruptions was/is big enough) Edit: To be fair and paint a correct image not all professors are corrupt, there professors that are fair and there are ones that are also very good as teaching not only good at their domains, unfortunately the corrupt ones are the ones with higher positions probably are the ones better are politics.
    - miluge 8y ago
      That's my experience in Romania too and being a foreigner that made the stats look good, gave me an edge over my colleagues.
      - simion314 8y ago
        I hope you also found some of the good professors that are great at teaching and inspiring, at my time there were still such professors.
denzil_correa 8y ago
> There is a "cutoff" for colleges and programs. Because I was not born in a "backward caste", I needed to get 92.4% to get into the program I aspired to. Whereas, someone who was born in a "lower caste" and has a paper that says so, will only need something to the tune of 65-68(don't remember the exact number) to get into the same program. Your initial claim was about "affirmative actions leading to bullshit doctors". Your current comment talks about "affirmative action implementation".

nabla9 8y ago

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4858461/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4858461/ >India is the only country where medical seats are officially sold, therefore, acknowledging the importance of money power over merit (6). In private medical colleges significant numbers of seats are paid seats at undergraduate and post graduate levels, which are beyond the payment capacity of a common person.

BeetleB 8y ago

Google gives me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action#India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action#India

jeffreyrogers 8y ago

Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India

denzil_correa 8y ago
I'd like to clarify that I was asking a source for "Reservation leading to bullshit doctors". Not the fact there is "Reservation in India".

urmish 8y ago

caste based reservations are a real thing. Every government institute or any institute which takes govt funding has to allocate seats to OBC,SC,ST,NT tribes and castes. https://www.google.com/search?q=obc+sc+st+education+reservations https://www.google.com/search?q=obc+sc+st+education+reservat...