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It is racist, when you make it exceedingly difficult for some minority populations to get an id.

polyphonic01 8y ago
No it's not racist, it can easily be implemented in the US today without issue. Don't be so patronizing to minority groups, they are just as capable as everyone else and already have to get ID for numerous other activities. The US is less racist than most other countries on Earth, yet somehow it is the US that couldn't properly implement voter ID cards? Racism in America has dropped dramatically in the last 50 years according to multiple lines of research, the perception that racism is on the rise is false and misguided. It's a shame voter ID can't be implemented on a nationwide basis in the US just because people have concerns that are longer valid.
- mikeash 8y ago
  Don’t be so ignorant about the motivations and techniques behind American voter ID laws. The people writing the laws have literally studied the demographics of who possesses which kind of ID so that they can write the laws to accept forms more likely to be held by white voters and reject forms more likely to be held by minorities. And then they’ll shut down or limit the hours of ID offices in minority areas to make it more difficult for them to remedy the situation. We absolutely could properly implement voter ID. We just don’t. Edit: I would encourage skeptics to look up the history of voter literacy tests. How can a literacy test be racist? Are you implying that minorities can’t learn to read? And yet they were highly effective at suppressing the minority vote for a long time.
  - polyphonic01 8y ago
    How do you know what work they've done in creating these laws? Show me recent evidence to back up your claim. All Americans are capable of getting whatever ID they need to get. There are no recent instances of someone being barred from getting a driver's license or other form of ID due to race. The notion that it's racist to require a certain form of ID when it's eminently possible for all groups to aquire such ID is ridiculous.
  - acct1771 8y ago
    That last part is true, and should be fixed before implementing voter ID laws.
  - SiliconWallies 8y ago
    Really don't have faith in minority groups do you? Liberals think they have to protect the world. Stop race baiting and virtual signalling - if you're so worried about it go babysit some 'minorities' and be their protector.
    - mikeash 8y ago
      Did you read my edit? Did you look at the history of literacy tests?
- lozenge 8y ago
  Republican politicians and lobbying groups are literally on video admitting their political and racial motivation for the voter ID laws. Do you think they're lying?
- pjc50 8y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/voter-id-laws-supreme-court-north-carolina.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/voter-id-laws... Unusually, this links to the actual court result: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/07/29/us/document-Aaaacarolina.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/07/29/us/document-A... The bill was specifically and deliberately amended to choose only those specific forms of ID that African-Americans were least likely to hold.
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rdtsc 8y ago
We should make it exceedingly easy it seems instead of just saying well we won't have it at all? If anything just to avoid the time and energy spent insinuating things and discussing if IDs are racist or not. A country like India with more poverty and issues like open defecation somehow managed to get everyone an ID but here it this insurmountable problem, that everyone talks about yet nothing is done about it.
- themikesanto 8y ago
  At best, voter ID is a solution to a problem that has not been shown to exist. At worst, it is a tool to limit the number of people who are able to vote on election day. It's really as simple as that.

No it's not racist, it can easily be implemented in the US today without issue. Don't be so patronizing to minority groups, they are just as capable as everyone else and already have to get ID for numerous other activities. The US is less racist than most other countries on Earth, yet somehow it is the US that couldn't properly implement voter ID cards? Racism in America has dropped dramatically in the last 50 years according to multiple lines of research, the perception that racism is on the rise is false and misguided. It's a shame voter ID can't be implemented on a nationwide basis in the US just because people have concerns that are longer valid.

mikeash 8y ago
Don’t be so ignorant about the motivations and techniques behind American voter ID laws. The people writing the laws have literally studied the demographics of who possesses which kind of ID so that they can write the laws to accept forms more likely to be held by white voters and reject forms more likely to be held by minorities. And then they’ll shut down or limit the hours of ID offices in minority areas to make it more difficult for them to remedy the situation. We absolutely could properly implement voter ID. We just don’t. Edit: I would encourage skeptics to look up the history of voter literacy tests. How can a literacy test be racist? Are you implying that minorities can’t learn to read? And yet they were highly effective at suppressing the minority vote for a long time.
- polyphonic01 8y ago
  How do you know what work they've done in creating these laws? Show me recent evidence to back up your claim. All Americans are capable of getting whatever ID they need to get. There are no recent instances of someone being barred from getting a driver's license or other form of ID due to race. The notion that it's racist to require a certain form of ID when it's eminently possible for all groups to aquire such ID is ridiculous.
- acct1771 8y ago
  That last part is true, and should be fixed before implementing voter ID laws.
- SiliconWallies 8y ago
  Really don't have faith in minority groups do you? Liberals think they have to protect the world. Stop race baiting and virtual signalling - if you're so worried about it go babysit some 'minorities' and be their protector.
  - mikeash 8y ago
    Did you read my edit? Did you look at the history of literacy tests?
lozenge 8y ago
Republican politicians and lobbying groups are literally on video admitting their political and racial motivation for the voter ID laws. Do you think they're lying?
pjc50 8y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/voter-id-laws-supreme-court-north-carolina.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/voter-id-laws... Unusually, this links to the actual court result: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/07/29/us/document-Aaaacarolina.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/07/29/us/document-A... The bill was specifically and deliberately amended to choose only those specific forms of ID that African-Americans were least likely to hold.
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rdtsc 8y ago

We should make it exceedingly easy it seems instead of just saying well we won't have it at all? If anything just to avoid the time and energy spent insinuating things and discussing if IDs are racist or not. A country like India with more poverty and issues like open defecation somehow managed to get everyone an ID but here it this insurmountable problem, that everyone talks about yet nothing is done about it.

themikesanto 8y ago
At best, voter ID is a solution to a problem that has not been shown to exist. At worst, it is a tool to limit the number of people who are able to vote on election day. It's really as simple as that.