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> Honestly, this is a vile and selfish attitude. I don‘t care about your assessment. You are free to live in humility, poverty, extreme heat, whatever - if you

> Honestly, this is a vile and selfish attitude. I don‘t care about your assessment. You are free to live in humility, poverty, extreme heat, whatever - if you think it will make you a superior human being. I prefer having bearable temperatures where I live, sleep and have visitors, without having to beg and wait for the whole world to stop burning fossil fuels, eating meat etc.

rotw 8y ago
> I prefer having bearable temperatures where I live, sleep and have visitors, What gives you the right to all that at the direct expense of the people who can't afford it?
- lazyjones 8y ago
  The right of the stronger, fitter. I’m sorry if it hurts your feelings, but that‘s how nature and evolution works. Perhaps your religion preaches something else, but why should I care?
  - rotw 8y ago
    > The right of the stronger, fitter. Right, so why don't I just come along and murder you? I have the right, by your logic. Or, maybe, this Social Darwinism is fascist nonsense and you fully admit to being disgustingly amoral. > I’m sorry if it hurts your feelings, but that‘s how nature and evolution works. Human society is not "uncontrollable nature" or determined solely by biological evolution. Everything is a social and personal choice. > Perhaps your religion preaches something else, but why should I care? Really? The only reason to care about social wellbeing and people other than yourself is religion?
    - lazyjones 8y ago
      > Right, so why don't I just come along and murder you? I have the right, by your logic. Or, maybe, this Social Darwinism is fascist nonsense and you fully admit to being disgustingly amoral. You are free to try if you want to bear the consequences and the risk of a different outcome. What you people tend to forget: different morals and amoral is not the same thing, don‘t force your morals on me. You have no right to. > The only reason to care about social wellbeing and people other than yourself is religion? I care very much about our survival as a species, but I believe that by allowing each and every one to survive at a high cost to society, we put the wellbeing of mankind at risk. I‘m all for getting dumb people to stop eating meat for perceived ecological reasons though!
  - Jedi72 8y ago
    If you accept climate change is real, and accept we need to tackle the problem, the simplest and most powerful solution would be coordinated action. However, we are stuck in a prisoners dilemma, because people with your attitude will not stop, will not change, and if that is say 1/100 people then it becomes unbearable for the other 99, socially and economically, to commit to the plan.
  - CalRobert 8y ago
    I'm not sure I can convince you otherwise. If memory serves, even Socrates reached an impasse with Thrasymachus.
  - dang 8y ago
    Please keep generic ideological tangents off HN, especially when the thread topic is already divisive. They just lead to predictable flamewars, equal parts destructive and tedious. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
yaps8 8y ago
> without having to beg and wait for the whole world to stop burning fossil fuels, eating meat etc You don't have to beg and wait for YOU to stop burning fossil fuels, eating meat etc.
- lazyjones 8y ago
  I would feel stupid if I did. I believe in technology as a provider for solutions to such problems, not regression to a primitive lifestyle like the eco-hippies demand. They aren’t particularly thorough anyway, because there’s about 10-20 tons of CO2 emissions to save by relieving the world of one‘s unhappy existence after being deprived of all the fun life has to offer (we exhale about 1Kg per day). ;-)

rotw 8y ago

> I prefer having bearable temperatures where I live, sleep and have visitors, What gives you the right to all that at the direct expense of the people who can't afford it?

lazyjones 8y ago
The right of the stronger, fitter. I’m sorry if it hurts your feelings, but that‘s how nature and evolution works. Perhaps your religion preaches something else, but why should I care?
- rotw 8y ago
  > The right of the stronger, fitter. Right, so why don't I just come along and murder you? I have the right, by your logic. Or, maybe, this Social Darwinism is fascist nonsense and you fully admit to being disgustingly amoral. > I’m sorry if it hurts your feelings, but that‘s how nature and evolution works. Human society is not "uncontrollable nature" or determined solely by biological evolution. Everything is a social and personal choice. > Perhaps your religion preaches something else, but why should I care? Really? The only reason to care about social wellbeing and people other than yourself is religion?
  - lazyjones 8y ago
    > Right, so why don't I just come along and murder you? I have the right, by your logic. Or, maybe, this Social Darwinism is fascist nonsense and you fully admit to being disgustingly amoral. You are free to try if you want to bear the consequences and the risk of a different outcome. What you people tend to forget: different morals and amoral is not the same thing, don‘t force your morals on me. You have no right to. > The only reason to care about social wellbeing and people other than yourself is religion? I care very much about our survival as a species, but I believe that by allowing each and every one to survive at a high cost to society, we put the wellbeing of mankind at risk. I‘m all for getting dumb people to stop eating meat for perceived ecological reasons though!
- Jedi72 8y ago
  If you accept climate change is real, and accept we need to tackle the problem, the simplest and most powerful solution would be coordinated action. However, we are stuck in a prisoners dilemma, because people with your attitude will not stop, will not change, and if that is say 1/100 people then it becomes unbearable for the other 99, socially and economically, to commit to the plan.
- CalRobert 8y ago
  I'm not sure I can convince you otherwise. If memory serves, even Socrates reached an impasse with Thrasymachus.
- dang 8y ago
  Please keep generic ideological tangents off HN, especially when the thread topic is already divisive. They just lead to predictable flamewars, equal parts destructive and tedious. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

yaps8 8y ago

> without having to beg and wait for the whole world to stop burning fossil fuels, eating meat etc You don't have to beg and wait for YOU to stop burning fossil fuels, eating meat etc.

lazyjones 8y ago
I would feel stupid if I did. I believe in technology as a provider for solutions to such problems, not regression to a primitive lifestyle like the eco-hippies demand. They aren’t particularly thorough anyway, because there’s about 10-20 tons of CO2 emissions to save by relieving the world of one‘s unhappy existence after being deprived of all the fun life has to offer (we exhale about 1Kg per day). ;-)