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What are you doing? If I must change, why not you? The people telling me to change must also change. People think this is an adolescent response but really, it

What are you doing? If I must change, why not you? The people telling me to change must also change. People think this is an adolescent response but really, it boils down to us merely sneering at each other and not doing anything. edit: totally predicted...people are reacting with a simple question about actual change by downvoting my comment into Oblivion. You need no better explanation for our fate.

stinos 8y ago
edit: totally predicted... Well maybe because of your general tone and because you didn't seem to react to the OP directly. You see, with a question like "If I must change, why not you?" you imply the OP said you must change while he/she doesn't. But the OP came nowhere near mentioning such thing. On the contrary, OP used we.
- claydavisss 8y ago
  OP states: We can and must do better. And quickly. why is it out of bounds to ask them what they are doing if the need is apparently so dire? or does "we" mean what it always means in these discussions....someone else? will even one person here commit to not flying for a year? the poor don't fly because they can't afford it.
  - marak830 8y ago
    Because it isn't adding to the conversation? I could ask what you're doing, but instead i'm reading and wondering what more i can do personally. Edit: Hell, ill even provide what i am doing. Not only am i trying to reduce my electricity usage in my house (which was really bugger all to begin with), I have convinced the owner of my restaurant, and have been implementing for months, a system where we source our produce locally as much as possible. (it is costing is approx 5-8% at the moment - as of last months check - but advertising this fact has been a ton more profitable than not putting the effort in). So that's just a part of what I'm doing. I'm willing to do more.
  - stinos 8y ago
    why is it out of bounds to ask them what they are doing It is not, I didn't say that. But you could phrase it in a nicer way. And definitely not assume they aren't doing anything. does "we" mean what it always means in these discussions....someone else? No. Thinking that way is overly pessimistic. will even one person here commit to not flying for a year? Maybe. I haven't been on a plane in years myself.
shoo 8y ago
another slightly more palatable way of framing this is: i don't want to change my lifestyle to lower carbon emissions, because that ends up being a net loss for me. i want you to change your lifestyle to lower carbon emissions, because that ends up being a net win for me. that's right, i'm talking to all n billion of you! what can i do to get you to agree to doing that? can i coerce you, or do we end up negotiating or trading?

stinos 8y ago

edit: totally predicted... Well maybe because of your general tone and because you didn't seem to react to the OP directly. You see, with a question like "If I must change, why not you?" you imply the OP said you must change while he/she doesn't. But the OP came nowhere near mentioning such thing. On the contrary, OP used we.

claydavisss 8y ago
OP states: We can and must do better. And quickly. why is it out of bounds to ask them what they are doing if the need is apparently so dire? or does "we" mean what it always means in these discussions....someone else? will even one person here commit to not flying for a year? the poor don't fly because they can't afford it.
- marak830 8y ago
  Because it isn't adding to the conversation? I could ask what you're doing, but instead i'm reading and wondering what more i can do personally. Edit: Hell, ill even provide what i am doing. Not only am i trying to reduce my electricity usage in my house (which was really bugger all to begin with), I have convinced the owner of my restaurant, and have been implementing for months, a system where we source our produce locally as much as possible. (it is costing is approx 5-8% at the moment - as of last months check - but advertising this fact has been a ton more profitable than not putting the effort in). So that's just a part of what I'm doing. I'm willing to do more.
- stinos 8y ago
  why is it out of bounds to ask them what they are doing It is not, I didn't say that. But you could phrase it in a nicer way. And definitely not assume they aren't doing anything. does "we" mean what it always means in these discussions....someone else? No. Thinking that way is overly pessimistic. will even one person here commit to not flying for a year? Maybe. I haven't been on a plane in years myself.

shoo 8y ago

another slightly more palatable way of framing this is: i don't want to change my lifestyle to lower carbon emissions, because that ends up being a net loss for me. i want you to change your lifestyle to lower carbon emissions, because that ends up being a net win for me. that's right, i'm talking to all n billion of you! what can i do to get you to agree to doing that? can i coerce you, or do we end up negotiating or trading?