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Being provided healthcare is a “human right”? Sounds more like forced labor to me.

arcticbull 8y ago
That's absurd. Nobody in any OECD country where healthcare is a human right is required by law to practice medicine. People do it as a public service, because they care. No doctor in Canada has a whip behind them as they apply bandaids. In fact, it's absurdly difficult to get into medical school in Canada, but people do it anyways because it's a mid-six-figure good job. That people who are sick are entitled to healthcare via voluntary labor is in violation of nobody's rights and you know it. Not even Canada's furthest-right-wing parties advocate privatizing healthcare. They don't even talk about it. Because Canadians know that fully private healthcare is a shit system. Healthcare as a right is your freedom to pursue your life regardless of the circumstances of your birth. It's the ultimate freedom - the freedom from worry, from illness, from bankruptcy. Freedom to pursue your own business or being an independent contractor without fear of death. Your "slavery with extra steps" argument is long dead. Maybe read this? From 2009. [1] [1] https://www.pri.org/stories/2009-10-15/canadian-health-care-its-their-right https://www.pri.org/stories/2009-10-15/canadian-health-care-...
- zo1 8y ago
  It's forced labor in that the state takes the proceeds of some of your labor in order to pay those doctors to treat others. I.e. Taxes. No one is saying that doctors are put into work-camps or threatened into working.
  - arcticbull 8y ago
    Oh, I see - so are you suggesting the interstate system, the fire department, the post office, the public school system, the water pipes, electricity, gas, medicare, medicaid, the army, every regulatory body, and so on are all forced labor? If so, great, count me in. It feels like an entirely arbitrary place to draw the line to say you support public education and the fire department but not public health. If you support neither, well, the dark ages are that way. Literally because the power grid is socialized. Either way, nobody's forced to work. Neither you, nor your doctor.
    - justtopost 8y ago
      If we don't work, we starve. Yes, every living being is 'forced to work'. The gun may be held by an opressive government, or nature itself, but work is as omnipresent as death and taxes.

That's absurd. Nobody in any OECD country where healthcare is a human right is required by law to practice medicine. People do it as a public service, because they care. No doctor in Canada has a whip behind them as they apply bandaids. In fact, it's absurdly difficult to get into medical school in Canada, but people do it anyways because it's a mid-six-figure good job. That people who are sick are entitled to healthcare via voluntary labor is in violation of nobody's rights and you know it. Not even Canada's furthest-right-wing parties advocate privatizing healthcare. They don't even talk about it. Because Canadians know that fully private healthcare is a shit system. Healthcare as a right is your freedom to pursue your life regardless of the circumstances of your birth. It's the ultimate freedom - the freedom from worry, from illness, from bankruptcy. Freedom to pursue your own business or being an independent contractor without fear of death. Your "slavery with extra steps" argument is long dead. Maybe read this? From 2009. [1] [1] https://www.pri.org/stories/2009-10-15/canadian-health-care-its-their-right https://www.pri.org/stories/2009-10-15/canadian-health-care-...

zo1 8y ago
It's forced labor in that the state takes the proceeds of some of your labor in order to pay those doctors to treat others. I.e. Taxes. No one is saying that doctors are put into work-camps or threatened into working.
- arcticbull 8y ago
  Oh, I see - so are you suggesting the interstate system, the fire department, the post office, the public school system, the water pipes, electricity, gas, medicare, medicaid, the army, every regulatory body, and so on are all forced labor? If so, great, count me in. It feels like an entirely arbitrary place to draw the line to say you support public education and the fire department but not public health. If you support neither, well, the dark ages are that way. Literally because the power grid is socialized. Either way, nobody's forced to work. Neither you, nor your doctor.
  - justtopost 8y ago
    If we don't work, we starve. Yes, every living being is 'forced to work'. The gun may be held by an opressive government, or nature itself, but work is as omnipresent as death and taxes.