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I meant valuable in terms of what I was contributing to the family ... when I took 9 months of part-time paternity leave. I feel like you didn’t really think ab

I meant valuable in terms of what I was contributing to the family ... when I took 9 months of part-time paternity leave. I feel like you didn’t really think about what I was saying. All of this was the result of lots of planning and long discussions between the two of us about how we would take care of our son, and how this would affect each of our careers — you really don’t need to lecture me here.

patagonia 8y ago
Narrowing the wage gap is not about the family. It’s about the wage gap. It’s about women getting less pay for the same work. It’s about women. Not the family. I’m not lecturing you. And I’m not a woman.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  Except it’s been proven over and over that there is no wage gap: https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy...
  - patagonia 8y ago
    Lolz
  - wpietri 8y ago
    That is an unedited opinion piece [1] from somebody who works for an antifeminist organization [2]. If that's what you count as proof, then maybe consider you're not being objective here. [1] https://www.cjr.org/innovations/newsrooms_boost_traffic.php https://www.cjr.org/innovations/newsrooms_boost_traffic.php and also https://www.joshsteimle.com/writing/how-being-a-forbes-contributor-works.html https://www.joshsteimle.com/writing/how-being-a-forbes-contr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Women%27s_Forum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Women%27s_Forum
    - malvosenior 8y ago
      Can you dispute the claims made? I grabbed the first Google result but there are many. I can’t find a single piece of data that says women are paid 70% of men for the same job. Can you?
      - wpietri 8y ago
        You're seriously asking me to do free research for the guy who started with an opinion and uncritically posted the first Google hit that agreed with his position? Why would that be a good use of my time?
        malvosenior 8y ago
        I’ve already done the research, but you don’t seem to believe me so I’m telling you to go look for yourself. The “wage gap” is not a thing and it’s inevitable people are going to tell you that if you try to promote it.
        wpietri 8y ago
        If you have done the research, then a) why did you cite an unreviewed opinion piece as your only evidence, and b) why did you ask me to do the work of disputing your claims instead of just providing the evidence? I obviously have looked and do believe it's a thing. Even individual CEOs discover it's a thing within their companies. For example, Salesforce: https://www.inc.com/marcel-schwantes/the-ceo-of-salesforce-found-out-female-employees-are-paid-less-than-men-his-response-is-a-priceless-leadership-lesson.html https://www.inc.com/marcel-schwantes/the-ceo-of-salesforce-f... If it didn't exist, it's certainly surprising that companies keep finding it internally and correcting it.
        malvosenior 8y ago
        That's a nice bit of PR but if you look at Salesforce's old blog, you'll see there was no gender pay gap: "Our assessment showed that we needed to adjust some salaries—for both men and women. Approximately six percent of employees required a salary adjustment, and roughly the same number of women and men were impacted. Salesforce has spent nearly $3 million dollars to eliminate statistically significant differences in pay." https://www.salesforce.com/blog/2016/03/equality-at-salesforce-equal-pay.html https://www.salesforce.com/blog/2016/03/equality-at-salesfor...

patagonia 8y ago

Narrowing the wage gap is not about the family. It’s about the wage gap. It’s about women getting less pay for the same work. It’s about women. Not the family. I’m not lecturing you. And I’m not a woman.

malvosenior 8y ago
Except it’s been proven over and over that there is no wage gap: https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy...
- patagonia 8y ago
  Lolz
- wpietri 8y ago
  That is an unedited opinion piece [1] from somebody who works for an antifeminist organization [2]. If that's what you count as proof, then maybe consider you're not being objective here. [1] https://www.cjr.org/innovations/newsrooms_boost_traffic.php https://www.cjr.org/innovations/newsrooms_boost_traffic.php and also https://www.joshsteimle.com/writing/how-being-a-forbes-contributor-works.html https://www.joshsteimle.com/writing/how-being-a-forbes-contr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Women%27s_Forum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Women%27s_Forum
  - malvosenior 8y ago
    Can you dispute the claims made? I grabbed the first Google result but there are many. I can’t find a single piece of data that says women are paid 70% of men for the same job. Can you?
    - wpietri 8y ago
      You're seriously asking me to do free research for the guy who started with an opinion and uncritically posted the first Google hit that agreed with his position? Why would that be a good use of my time?
      - malvosenior 8y ago
        I’ve already done the research, but you don’t seem to believe me so I’m telling you to go look for yourself. The “wage gap” is not a thing and it’s inevitable people are going to tell you that if you try to promote it.
        wpietri 8y ago
        If you have done the research, then a) why did you cite an unreviewed opinion piece as your only evidence, and b) why did you ask me to do the work of disputing your claims instead of just providing the evidence? I obviously have looked and do believe it's a thing. Even individual CEOs discover it's a thing within their companies. For example, Salesforce: https://www.inc.com/marcel-schwantes/the-ceo-of-salesforce-found-out-female-employees-are-paid-less-than-men-his-response-is-a-priceless-leadership-lesson.html https://www.inc.com/marcel-schwantes/the-ceo-of-salesforce-f... If it didn't exist, it's certainly surprising that companies keep finding it internally and correcting it.
        malvosenior 8y ago
        That's a nice bit of PR but if you look at Salesforce's old blog, you'll see there was no gender pay gap: "Our assessment showed that we needed to adjust some salaries—for both men and women. Approximately six percent of employees required a salary adjustment, and roughly the same number of women and men were impacted. Salesforce has spent nearly $3 million dollars to eliminate statistically significant differences in pay." https://www.salesforce.com/blog/2016/03/equality-at-salesforce-equal-pay.html https://www.salesforce.com/blog/2016/03/equality-at-salesfor...