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It's because they don't need to. Startups often include difficult and intense work environment. For exactly what? Better than average compensation discussion is

It's because they don't need to. Startups often include difficult and intense work environment. For exactly what? Better than average compensation discussion is frowned upon in Germany. There is ramphant latent descrimination against people from other countries. Which German company has a foreign born CEO? In US, Google and Microsoft have foreign born CEOs. This is my own experience, so downvoting is only silencing a voice.

chobeat 8y ago
> Startups often include difficult and intense work environment Compared to the USA? Lol, you have no clue. The standard for a software engineer in SV is to take drugs to work 12 hours a day 6 days a week, pay a fucking high rent living with 4 other people and if he's foreigner and freshly arrived, he has to suck his boss' cock everyday because they might take away his visa sponsorship and put him into troubles. In Berlin most people I know work less than 8 hours a day, can afford to have their own apartment at their first or second job and save enough money and energy to go travel somewhere every 3 months. Because you know, we have 30 days of holidays per year.
- dang 8y ago
  In addition to being uncivil, this is wildly wrong ("The standard for a software engineer in SV") and you misread the parent comment. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- mrhackerpoland 8y ago
  Startups are not average cushy corporate job. The only way to get any startup to work in EU is by importing immigrants and they'll work hard on their own and compensating them appropriately and making sure they can reach top ranks in a company otherwise no one will ne motivated to work hard. Germany has infrastructure. Taxes are not that bad. Any country which will accept foreigners with open heart and give them opportunities will have plenty of startups. There are still clubs in Germany which do not accept people of color.
- friedman23 8y ago
  > Compared to the USA? Lol, you have no clue. The standard for a software engineer in SV is to take drugs to work 12 hours a day 6 days a week Completely false, the standard is more like 35 hour work weeks with "work from home" one day a week. Judging from the fact that you know how people work in Berlin I'm going to guess you have no personal experience with SV work culture and have only read some horror stories that are not at all representative of what work is like for the average software engineer in SV.
tjungblut 8y ago
> Which German company has a foreign born CEO? "William R. "Bill" McDermott is an American businessman and the CEO of the technology company SAP SE" [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_McDermott https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_McDermott
- mrhackerpoland 8y ago
  You answered that question. But Americans are being offered more compesation in American, why would they follow this CEO and move to Germany? You need examples from countries which are less prosperous than Germany. Where are Chinese, Indian, Ethopian CEOs of German companies?
  - yorwba 8y ago
    https://www.softwareag.com/corporate/company/management/board/default.html#sanjay https://www.softwareag.com/corporate/company/management/boar... "Sanjay Brahmawar is Chief Executive Officer of Software AG, ..." "He is a citizen of the world, born in India, and having worked and lived in England, Finland, Belgium, Holland, and Germany. An avid cyclist and runner, Brahmawar currently resides in Darmstadt, Germany." Indian enough?

chobeat 8y ago

> Startups often include difficult and intense work environment Compared to the USA? Lol, you have no clue. The standard for a software engineer in SV is to take drugs to work 12 hours a day 6 days a week, pay a fucking high rent living with 4 other people and if he's foreigner and freshly arrived, he has to suck his boss' cock everyday because they might take away his visa sponsorship and put him into troubles. In Berlin most people I know work less than 8 hours a day, can afford to have their own apartment at their first or second job and save enough money and energy to go travel somewhere every 3 months. Because you know, we have 30 days of holidays per year.

dang 8y ago
In addition to being uncivil, this is wildly wrong ("The standard for a software engineer in SV") and you misread the parent comment. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
mrhackerpoland 8y ago
Startups are not average cushy corporate job. The only way to get any startup to work in EU is by importing immigrants and they'll work hard on their own and compensating them appropriately and making sure they can reach top ranks in a company otherwise no one will ne motivated to work hard. Germany has infrastructure. Taxes are not that bad. Any country which will accept foreigners with open heart and give them opportunities will have plenty of startups. There are still clubs in Germany which do not accept people of color.
friedman23 8y ago
> Compared to the USA? Lol, you have no clue. The standard for a software engineer in SV is to take drugs to work 12 hours a day 6 days a week Completely false, the standard is more like 35 hour work weeks with "work from home" one day a week. Judging from the fact that you know how people work in Berlin I'm going to guess you have no personal experience with SV work culture and have only read some horror stories that are not at all representative of what work is like for the average software engineer in SV.

tjungblut 8y ago

> Which German company has a foreign born CEO? "William R. "Bill" McDermott is an American businessman and the CEO of the technology company SAP SE" [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_McDermott https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_McDermott

mrhackerpoland 8y ago
You answered that question. But Americans are being offered more compesation in American, why would they follow this CEO and move to Germany? You need examples from countries which are less prosperous than Germany. Where are Chinese, Indian, Ethopian CEOs of German companies?
- yorwba 8y ago
  https://www.softwareag.com/corporate/company/management/board/default.html#sanjay https://www.softwareag.com/corporate/company/management/boar... "Sanjay Brahmawar is Chief Executive Officer of Software AG, ..." "He is a citizen of the world, born in India, and having worked and lived in England, Finland, Belgium, Holland, and Germany. An avid cyclist and runner, Brahmawar currently resides in Darmstadt, Germany." Indian enough?