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“As a small child, it seemed like Hitler did good things for Germany until he went nuts” would be a perfectly reasonable thing to say. They way you put it makes
by mikeash 8y ago
“As a small child, it seemed like Hitler did good things for Germany until he went nuts” would be a perfectly reasonable thing to say. They way you put it makes it sound like she never looked at what happened later and came to an adult understanding of the situation.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoYeah, let's not put my mother on trial here. She's not participating in this discussion. She's not here to defend herself from such nastiness. I was a minor when the discussion occurred. That no doubt influenced the wording. It was a private conversation at home between mother and daughter. She had zero reason to think she needed to defend the remark as if it were a PhD thesis or testimony in a war crimes trial.
- mikeash 8y agoYou posted it to a public forum at least twice. Here, you’re using it as a jumping off point to argue that the perception of Nazis as evil from the start is a “retcon.” If you don’t want to discuss it, don’t post it. If you don’t want to defend it, don’t base an argument on it.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoThat's a serious mischaracterization of my point. It's also justification for being nasty to someone who isn't here. I'm not saying I'm not accountable for choosing to make the comments I've made.
- mikeash 8y agoIt’s a mischaracterization of your point? You said: > A lot of people simply cannot look objectively at anything related to WW2. They know how it ultimately turned out, so they basically ret-con it as "they were pure evil from the start." I don’t know how else to read that other than as an argument that Nazis weren’t pure evil from the start.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoThen let me suggest you just walk away from this one. Your tactics are ugly. Your understanding of my point is lacking. This isn't likely to go good places. I plan to drop it. It's been surprisingly well received so far, by which I mean it didn't turn into a shit show. I see no reason to go there at this late stage in the discussion.
- mikeash 8y agoHow am I supposed to read it? A retcon is going back and changing the original story. Applied to real history, it means the retcon isn’t true. If Nazis being pure evil from the start is a retcon, then that means Nazis weren’t pure evil from the start. Not so? I don’t want to walk away from pointing out that Nazis were, in fact, as bad as everyone thinks and were that way from the start. The fact that it’s been well received just adds further motivation to point this out.