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I moved from Manchester (in the Article) to Holland a year ago. Maybe my comment might be insightful. No it's not a problem here... Illegal drugs are still a t
by RealDinosaur 8y ago
I moved from Manchester (in the Article) to Holland a year ago. Maybe my comment might be insightful.
No it's not a problem here... Illegal drugs are still a thing, but anything that was in Manchester an 'ex-legal high' tends to be sold at SmartShops which have a brick-and-mortar presence.
I have never seen anyone who was obviously a spice-head. I've seen some homeless people here (much less than in Manchester), but they actually mainly just chat (in English) to me and ask for help rather than pure begging. Holland actively helps homeless people which is less than I can say for the UK.
I've been asked for help about 4 times in 1 year in the Netherlands.
I got asked once a day in Manchester.
In London, I got asked 4 times a day!
The spice epidemic in Manchester, isn't purely a result of drug law. The current UK government has no compassion for the homeless or unemployed. If you force people into vulnerable situations, then they are going to be taken advantage of.
# Another story about why spice is popular...
About 6 years ago, the place in the article (Piccadilly Gardens), had sellers trading weed. It was terrible stuff, both low quantity, and low value, but it was clearly labeled with a green cannabis leaf. It was relatively harmless. If you asked anyone 'where could i get some', it was the first answer.
About 4 years ago, they increased police presence in Piccadilly Gardens due to complaints about 'the smell'. Local newspapers wrote about it, and the end result were, several of the dealers were arrested. These were dealers that had been operating for years, and were the closest thing to a 'go-to' place there was in the city center.
4 years ago, ex-legal highs were not yet outlawed. It's not hard to imagine what happened with the vacuum.
For me, weed is not longer exciting. It is a take it or leave it thing now, and I am much more concerned with my relationship with alcohol... but yeah... Spice is a problem because weed is a 'class B drug' now.
- rocgf 8y agoI currently live in Manchester and your comment is insightful, thanks. As far as I have read in other articles, spice is also way cheaper than weed, maybe this has been a contributing factor as well. The sight of comatose homeless people in Manchester's city center is part of the scenery and extremely sad. Also, Piccadilly Gardens is still 'the place' where drugs are sold, at least as far as I know. I got asked more than once if I 'want anything' by shady-looking individuals. The smell is still there, both in Piccadilly and, generally, in Manchester. As a personal anecdote, excluding the areas right next to coffeeshops, you can smell weed more often in Manchester than in Amsterdam.
- baby 8y ago> In London, I got asked 4 times a day! lived in London for more than a year, I got asked maybe 10 times in that entire time. They are often polite and never aggressive.
- balt_s 8y agoThanks for the anecdote, baby.