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Momentum aren't communists though, I don't think. They just want to reverse the drift of the party to the right under the leaderships from Blair onwards
by barking 8y ago
Momentum aren't communists though, I don't think. They just want to reverse the drift of the party to the right under the leaderships from Blair onwards
- gaius 8y agoMomentum aren't communists though, I don't think I've heard them described as Nationalising Socialists.
- barking 8y agoWhere, on breitbart?
- gaius 8y agoFrom people concerned about the increasingly common anti-Semitism in the Labour Party
- barking 8y agoA lot of people feel that is a confection by Zionists, supported by israel, aimed at making criticism of Israeli policies equivalent to anti-semitism.
- krona 8y agoThat's a Straw man, and you know it.
- barking 8y agoI'd love to know how you came to both of those conclusions.
- gaius 8y agoSo what you’re saying is, allegations of anti-Semitism are in fact a Jewish plot? Do you know how that sounds?
- barking 8y agoDo you believe, as Israel's Basic law states, that the right to exercise national self-determination in Israel is "unique to the Jewish people"?
- barking 8y agoSince you've edited your comment belatedly to ask if I know how that sounds, I'll add this answer. Yes I know exactly how the words you're trying to put in my mouth sound and I know why you are doing it.
- gaius 8y agoIt was a good faith question to see if you were aware of it, and I see that you in fact are. "Confection by Zionists" indeed. Dog-whistling at its finest.
- barking 8y agoI needed to look up 'dog-whistling' and got this definition on wikipedia : Dog-whistle politics is political messaging employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different, or more specific resonance for a targeted subgroup. Please explain how "Confection by Zionists" fits the bill?
- gaius 8y agoWell, if I have misjudged you, I apologise for that! The thing is that Israel is a red herring, the traditional anti-Semitism of the left pre-dates its existence and is rooted in the stereotypical association of Jews with finance and hence capitalism in general. Therefore often Zionist is a code-word meaning simply Jew. Banker is often used in a similar way too. Similarly, members of the far-right say Canadians when they mean black people.
- pjc50 8y agoThere is a bit of this about, it's not entirely a fabrication, and it's always a risk for people who spend too much time getting involved in Palestine from abroad. On the other hand, it's really obvious that all this media concern is directed only at the Labour party and not at the actual government, such as the support for Orban's antisemitic Hungarian government. Almost nobody in the media cares about antisemitism unless it can be used against the Labour party. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-conservative-party-rulebook-doesnt-mention-antisemitism https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-conservati...
- noobermin 8y agoNationalising Socialists, you mean Nazis? They aren't Nazis.
- Brakenshire 8y agoMomentum and Corbyn represent the wing of the Labour party which the mainstream leadership have been fighting since the 1970’s. New Labour drifted to the right with privatization, PFI, Iraq etc, but Corbyn is not a step to the middle ground of the party, it’s from one extreme to the other.
- barking 8y agoThe 70s weren't as bad as they are painted. There was much greater income equality. A lot of the problems in that decade had external causes, the oil crisis and the hangover, I suppose, from the commodity price inflation caused by the Vietnam War. I don't really understand these things but the rise of the financial sector to dominance in the UK economy and all the pain it's caused this last decade was apparently largely due to Thatcher's policies in the 80s. I've heard it said that today nearly every company wants to sell financial services, for example car makers. Apparently it's generally more profitable than their core product. Nothing real just financial 'instruments'.