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This sounds like it might be a good candidate for a class-action lawsuit, assuming you could include anyone touched by all counterfeits on Amazon as part of the

by ohazi 8y ago

This sounds like it might be a good candidate for a class-action lawsuit, assuming you could include anyone touched by all counterfeits on Amazon as part of the class. I don't really care about the ~$50-100 in suspect cables, microsd cards, and batteries I've bought over the years, it just seems like something this broad would probably be the only way to get Amazon to consider fixing their inventory co-mingling issues.

themodelplumber 8y ago
I've seen people posting photos of counterfeits that they received, and I've made a lot of Amazon purchases, but I've never received one. I'm kind of shocked actually because I try out some of the really counterfeit-magnet stuff. The photos I've seen made it look like the counterfeits were really obvious, too.
- lozenge 8y ago
  You probably have received one (See the toupee fallacy). Sometimes counterfeits come from the same factory using the same materials, just running overtime.
  - ahoka 8y ago
    "Sometimes counterfeits come from the same factory using the same materials, just running overtime." Sans the quality assurance.
    - Stratoscope 8y ago
      Here's an interesting story about counterfeit SD cards and the "ghost shift": https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918
- maxxxxx 8y ago
  You may not have noticed. I bought an Apple headset that fell apart after 3 months. Now either their headsets are just bad or it was a counterfeit. I don't know but I suspect it was counterfeit.
  - antaviana 8y ago
    Perhaps it is the Apple headset. The EarPods with Lightning Connector that came with iPhone 7 (bought on the Online Apple Web store) broke in 3 months. I was too lazy to go the physical Apple Store for a claim and bought a second Earpods headset on the Online Apple Store that also broke in 3 months. Then I went to the physical Apple Store, waited for an hour to get an Apple Genious attention and got it replaced on warranty. The third EarPods have not broken yet after one year, so according to my data points, you have a 66% chance that the EarPods bought directly to Apple break in 3 months and a 100% chance that EarPods bougt directly to Apple on its Online Store break in 3 months.
    - maxxxxx 8y ago
      My point is that with the current state at Amazon there is no good way to find out.
Pinckney 8y ago
Amazon TOS: > Any dispute or claim relating in any way to your use of any Amazon Service, or to any products or services sold or distributed by Amazon or through Amazon.com will be resolved by binding arbitration, rather than in court > We each agree that any dispute resolution proceedings will be conducted only on an individual basis and not in a class, consolidated or representative action. If for any reason a claim proceeds in court rather than in arbitration we each waive any right to a jury trial.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  How is that even possible? Kind of defeats the point of having a justice system... EDIT or let me rephrase that question: what's the original purpose of such forced arbitration clauses existing? How do they contribute to the public good?
  - rrix2 8y ago
    The idea behind it is that any individual with a claim can stand to be reimbursed for their damages more if their arbitration claim is won than if they got 0.70$ for being a class-member. It disclaims any notion of collective action other than for self-gain, but the logic behind it is supported by the current laws.
  - smnrchrds 8y ago
    The idea is that arbitration reduces the burden on the justice system while simultaneously giving people a faster and cheaper method for dispute resolution. Unfortunately contract law seems to be written with the assumption that the sides have equal power and their lawyers have negotiated the terms of the contract. In today's world where contacts are simply forced upon individuals by corporations, maybe we should revisit contract law.
    - ema 8y ago
      In which way is Amazon's TOS forced upon me? I could choose to not shop there, couldn't I?

by ohazi 8y ago

themodelplumber 8y ago

I've seen people posting photos of counterfeits that they received, and I've made a lot of Amazon purchases, but I've never received one. I'm kind of shocked actually because I try out some of the really counterfeit-magnet stuff. The photos I've seen made it look like the counterfeits were really obvious, too.

lozenge 8y ago
You probably have received one (See the toupee fallacy). Sometimes counterfeits come from the same factory using the same materials, just running overtime.
- ahoka 8y ago
  "Sometimes counterfeits come from the same factory using the same materials, just running overtime." Sans the quality assurance.
  - Stratoscope 8y ago
    Here's an interesting story about counterfeit SD cards and the "ghost shift": https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918
maxxxxx 8y ago
You may not have noticed. I bought an Apple headset that fell apart after 3 months. Now either their headsets are just bad or it was a counterfeit. I don't know but I suspect it was counterfeit.
- antaviana 8y ago
  Perhaps it is the Apple headset. The EarPods with Lightning Connector that came with iPhone 7 (bought on the Online Apple Web store) broke in 3 months. I was too lazy to go the physical Apple Store for a claim and bought a second Earpods headset on the Online Apple Store that also broke in 3 months. Then I went to the physical Apple Store, waited for an hour to get an Apple Genious attention and got it replaced on warranty. The third EarPods have not broken yet after one year, so according to my data points, you have a 66% chance that the EarPods bought directly to Apple break in 3 months and a 100% chance that EarPods bougt directly to Apple on its Online Store break in 3 months.
  - maxxxxx 8y ago
    My point is that with the current state at Amazon there is no good way to find out.

Pinckney 8y ago

Amazon TOS: > Any dispute or claim relating in any way to your use of any Amazon Service, or to any products or services sold or distributed by Amazon or through Amazon.com will be resolved by binding arbitration, rather than in court > We each agree that any dispute resolution proceedings will be conducted only on an individual basis and not in a class, consolidated or representative action. If for any reason a claim proceeds in court rather than in arbitration we each waive any right to a jury trial.

TeMPOraL 8y ago
How is that even possible? Kind of defeats the point of having a justice system... EDIT or let me rephrase that question: what's the original purpose of such forced arbitration clauses existing? How do they contribute to the public good?
- rrix2 8y ago
  The idea behind it is that any individual with a claim can stand to be reimbursed for their damages more if their arbitration claim is won than if they got 0.70$ for being a class-member. It disclaims any notion of collective action other than for self-gain, but the logic behind it is supported by the current laws.
- smnrchrds 8y ago
  The idea is that arbitration reduces the burden on the justice system while simultaneously giving people a faster and cheaper method for dispute resolution. Unfortunately contract law seems to be written with the assumption that the sides have equal power and their lawyers have negotiated the terms of the contract. In today's world where contacts are simply forced upon individuals by corporations, maybe we should revisit contract law.
  - ema 8y ago
    In which way is Amazon's TOS forced upon me? I could choose to not shop there, couldn't I?