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Indeed. Rust is the only new contender in the field of systems programming, where C++ has to contend with decades of negative mindshare (C++11: "I've changed! I

Indeed. Rust is the only new contender in the field of systems programming, where C++ has to contend with decades of negative mindshare (C++11: "I've changed! I promise!"), and D, well, never really took off (because it started off in the early Internet era as a commercial compiler?).

lasagnaphil 8y ago
There is also Zig, which seems nice as a C replacement but still highly unstable, and Jai, which is also a nice C replacement but currently has no publicly available compiler yet... So for the time Rust is the only new systems programming language (And please don’t say Go/Nim is a contender, they’re good languages in their own ways but having a garbage collector disqualifies it fron that categorization)
- geezerjay 8y ago
  > Jai, which is also a nice C replacement but currently has no publicly available compiler yet... If there is no compiler then there is no programming language.
  - timClicks 8y ago
    Well, there are videos of code being compiled. But nothing verifiable outside of the Jai team.
    - majewsky 8y ago
      If that counts as existing, then cold fusion exists.
      - potiuper 8y ago
        Of course https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColdFusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColdFusion exists.
    - geezerjay 8y ago
      > Well, there are videos of code being compiled. There are videos of nazi bases on the moon.
- vmchale 8y ago
  ATS is in a better state than Zig/Jai lol
- pjmlp 8y ago
  No language that drops C compatibility while having the same manual memory management is an actual contender. Yes having a GC is a contender, because not all GCs are implemented the same way, and C did not eliminate Assembly as well. So if a systems language, with GC, covers 95% of use cases. We can happily use something else for those remaining 5%, while enjoying better productivity and safety. Companies like Astrobe manage to have enough customers to keep their Oberon compiler for bare metal deployments business alive, just as one possible example.
  - kiriakasis 8y ago
    Midori looked really interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(operating_system)

lasagnaphil 8y ago

There is also Zig, which seems nice as a C replacement but still highly unstable, and Jai, which is also a nice C replacement but currently has no publicly available compiler yet... So for the time Rust is the only new systems programming language (And please don’t say Go/Nim is a contender, they’re good languages in their own ways but having a garbage collector disqualifies it fron that categorization)

geezerjay 8y ago
> Jai, which is also a nice C replacement but currently has no publicly available compiler yet... If there is no compiler then there is no programming language.
- timClicks 8y ago
  Well, there are videos of code being compiled. But nothing verifiable outside of the Jai team.
  - majewsky 8y ago
    If that counts as existing, then cold fusion exists.
    - potiuper 8y ago
      Of course https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColdFusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColdFusion exists.
  - geezerjay 8y ago
    > Well, there are videos of code being compiled. There are videos of nazi bases on the moon.
vmchale 8y ago
ATS is in a better state than Zig/Jai lol
pjmlp 8y ago
No language that drops C compatibility while having the same manual memory management is an actual contender. Yes having a GC is a contender, because not all GCs are implemented the same way, and C did not eliminate Assembly as well. So if a systems language, with GC, covers 95% of use cases. We can happily use something else for those remaining 5%, while enjoying better productivity and safety. Companies like Astrobe manage to have enough customers to keep their Oberon compiler for bare metal deployments business alive, just as one possible example.
- kiriakasis 8y ago
  Midori looked really interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(operating_system)