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> I can think of a few good examples of web sites which use Flash effectively Youtube!

by aneesh 18y ago

amichail 18y ago
But why not use Flash for the entire site rather than just the video player?
- technoguyrob 18y ago
  http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=164464 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=164464
- sunkencity 18y ago
  you gotta be trolling...
- xenoterracide 18y ago
  because flash isn't always cross platform. those of us on linux had to wait 2 or more years (I really don't recall) for adobe to roll out a flash 9 from flash 7 for linux. It took another year after that to get it stable. Also if you are blind how do you view flash websites? it has serious problems with usability for those who are disabled. it also has usability problems for those who aren't disabled. I don't like flash websites because I can never find my way around. I can't run them through translator's either (an artist I like, who's native language is spanish, website is in flash, I can't read or translate the spanish because of that, and the english version has been coming soon for 2 or more years).
- Goladus 18y ago
  Because when you display all that extra site stuff with flash you take away tons of simple but important functionality. copy/paste save as... view image copy image location Bookmark this Open in new tab etc. you get the idea.
  - marketer 18y ago
    1) Copy-past works just fine, at least with flex 3 text or textarea controls 2) Saving the swf is easy, and you can view it any time 3) Images are usually embedded, and you can get them with a resource viewer 4) Copy image location - this is not necessary, as images are usually embedded 5) flash supports url fragments for navigate (path after #), so as long as the flash site uses fragments, it is bookmarkable 6) open in new tab works I'm curious where you got this misinformation, anyway.
    - 0x44 18y ago
      Open in new tab only works to open the flash page in a new tab, subsequent browsing within the flash page does not allow one to open in a new tab.
    - apu 18y ago
      The difference is that for flash websites, the developer has to actively be 'nice' to allow these things (default=not accessible), whereas with html+css+javascript, the developer has to actively be obnoxious to NOT allow these things (default=accessible).
    - Goladus 18y ago
      A basic understanding of flash, computers, combined with browsing the web and making observations and deductions. 1) With HTML you don't have to use textarea controls. 2) Saving an SWF is not trivial. 3) How much of your target audience really bothers to find a resource viewer? 4) It's necessary because your users don't have a resource viewer. 5) So the flash developer has to know what 'url fragments' are in order to make portions of the app bookmarkable. 6) I can't think of a flash app where open in new tab works. Obviously it is not trivial to implement

> I can think of a few good examples of web sites which use Flash effectively Youtube!

by aneesh 18y ago

> I can think of a few good examples of web sites which use Flash effectively Youtube!

amichail 18y ago

But why not use Flash for the entire site rather than just the video player?

technoguyrob 18y ago
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=164464 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=164464
sunkencity 18y ago
you gotta be trolling...
xenoterracide 18y ago
because flash isn't always cross platform. those of us on linux had to wait 2 or more years (I really don't recall) for adobe to roll out a flash 9 from flash 7 for linux. It took another year after that to get it stable. Also if you are blind how do you view flash websites? it has serious problems with usability for those who are disabled. it also has usability problems for those who aren't disabled. I don't like flash websites because I can never find my way around. I can't run them through translator's either (an artist I like, who's native language is spanish, website is in flash, I can't read or translate the spanish because of that, and the english version has been coming soon for 2 or more years).
Goladus 18y ago
Because when you display all that extra site stuff with flash you take away tons of simple but important functionality. copy/paste save as... view image copy image location Bookmark this Open in new tab etc. you get the idea.
- marketer 18y ago
  1) Copy-past works just fine, at least with flex 3 text or textarea controls 2) Saving the swf is easy, and you can view it any time 3) Images are usually embedded, and you can get them with a resource viewer 4) Copy image location - this is not necessary, as images are usually embedded 5) flash supports url fragments for navigate (path after #), so as long as the flash site uses fragments, it is bookmarkable 6) open in new tab works I'm curious where you got this misinformation, anyway.
  - 0x44 18y ago
    Open in new tab only works to open the flash page in a new tab, subsequent browsing within the flash page does not allow one to open in a new tab.
  - apu 18y ago
    The difference is that for flash websites, the developer has to actively be 'nice' to allow these things (default=not accessible), whereas with html+css+javascript, the developer has to actively be obnoxious to NOT allow these things (default=accessible).
  - Goladus 18y ago
    A basic understanding of flash, computers, combined with browsing the web and making observations and deductions. 1) With HTML you don't have to use textarea controls. 2) Saving an SWF is not trivial. 3) How much of your target audience really bothers to find a resource viewer? 4) It's necessary because your users don't have a resource viewer. 5) So the flash developer has to know what 'url fragments' are in order to make portions of the app bookmarkable. 6) I can't think of a flash app where open in new tab works. Obviously it is not trivial to implement