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No, it's not. God I wish John Oliver never did that episode. If you're singling out an entity as uniquely bad, and saying they should be treated in a unique w

No, it's not. God I wish John Oliver never did that episode. If you're singling out an entity as uniquely bad, and saying they should be treated in a unique way because of it, you have to justify that they're uniquely bad.

fermienrico 8y ago
The problem is that hand wavy arguments that appear to be equivalent are are upon deeper inspection, not. But, by the time you dig and invest into clarifying the differences and nullifying the equivalence, you’ve already diverted from the original topic. This is why it is used by Politicians and shitty news channels, and this is why whataboutism needs to stop. Let’s focus objectively on the topic at hand. Furthermore, justification should be based on moral underpinnings, idealistic values, rule of law and societal norms. By pointing fingers at (what may not be true equivalence), is a massive distraction. Stop it please.
- yourbandsucks 8y ago
  The topic at hand is "fuck China specifically" in this subthread. I point out similar behavior among other world powers, raise the question of what's so specific, and you call it whataboutism. You stop it. I was arguing to the topic in good faith.
  - Larrikin 8y ago
    It's fundamentally whataboutism. How does Google or any big tech company relate to the majority of police abuses against black people. The abuses in the US are fundamentally unaccountable police and police departments out in the field committing crimes against people without a voice. They are not demanding data from tech companies to arrest and disappear them for thought crimes. Google and Facebook operating in the US has actually helped shed light on these crimes. They are two completely separate atrocities that are only discussed together to distract from one or the other depending on who is whatabouting.

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No, it's not. God I wish John Oliver never did that episode. If you're singling out an entity as uniquely bad, and saying they should be treated in a unique w

by yourbandsucks 8y ago

fermienrico 8y ago
The problem is that hand wavy arguments that appear to be equivalent are are upon deeper inspection, not. But, by the time you dig and invest into clarifying the differences and nullifying the equivalence, you’ve already diverted from the original topic. This is why it is used by Politicians and shitty news channels, and this is why whataboutism needs to stop. Let’s focus objectively on the topic at hand. Furthermore, justification should be based on moral underpinnings, idealistic values, rule of law and societal norms. By pointing fingers at (what may not be true equivalence), is a massive distraction. Stop it please.
- yourbandsucks 8y ago
  The topic at hand is "fuck China specifically" in this subthread. I point out similar behavior among other world powers, raise the question of what's so specific, and you call it whataboutism. You stop it. I was arguing to the topic in good faith.
  - Larrikin 8y ago
    It's fundamentally whataboutism. How does Google or any big tech company relate to the majority of police abuses against black people. The abuses in the US are fundamentally unaccountable police and police departments out in the field committing crimes against people without a voice. They are not demanding data from tech companies to arrest and disappear them for thought crimes. Google and Facebook operating in the US has actually helped shed light on these crimes. They are two completely separate atrocities that are only discussed together to distract from one or the other depending on who is whatabouting.