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China has "disappeared" more than a million people recently as part of what is fundamentally an ethnic cleansing program. So, yeah, fuck China specifically. Se

China has "disappeared" more than a million people recently as part of what is fundamentally an ethnic cleansing program. So, yeah, fuck China specifically. See https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/22/chinas-mass-internment-camps-have-no-clear-end-in-sight/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/22/chinas-mass-internment-...

yourbandsucks 8y ago
You sure you're not bringing in a little nationalist bias there? Even if you want to constrain the subject to specifically "dealing with central asian muslim separatists over the last couple decades".. seems a little tough for an American to argue with a straight face. I appreciate the candor, though, so thanks. Nice to know the mental place this is coming from.
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trhownow929 8y ago
To put that number in perspective, the US has 2.2 million African Americans in “rehabilitation centres.”
- fermienrico 8y ago
  ^ This is called “Whataboutism”. Stop it, please.
  - yourbandsucks 8y ago
    No, it's not. God I wish John Oliver never did that episode. If you're singling out an entity as uniquely bad, and saying they should be treated in a unique way because of it, you have to justify that they're uniquely bad.
    - fermienrico 8y ago
      The problem is that hand wavy arguments that appear to be equivalent are are upon deeper inspection, not. But, by the time you dig and invest into clarifying the differences and nullifying the equivalence, you’ve already diverted from the original topic. This is why it is used by Politicians and shitty news channels, and this is why whataboutism needs to stop. Let’s focus objectively on the topic at hand. Furthermore, justification should be based on moral underpinnings, idealistic values, rule of law and societal norms. By pointing fingers at (what may not be true equivalence), is a massive distraction. Stop it please.
      - yourbandsucks 8y ago
        The topic at hand is "fuck China specifically" in this subthread. I point out similar behavior among other world powers, raise the question of what's so specific, and you call it whataboutism. You stop it. I was arguing to the topic in good faith.
        Larrikin 8y ago
        It's fundamentally whataboutism. How does Google or any big tech company relate to the majority of police abuses against black people. The abuses in the US are fundamentally unaccountable police and police departments out in the field committing crimes against people without a voice. They are not demanding data from tech companies to arrest and disappear them for thought crimes. Google and Facebook operating in the US has actually helped shed light on these crimes. They are two completely separate atrocities that are only discussed together to distract from one or the other depending on who is whatabouting.
- staticautomatic 8y ago
  Then we can also say fuck the US justice system specifically. There's no reason to pretend they're somehow mutually exclusive.
  - yourbandsucks 8y ago
    Sure, but fairness would require a call for Google boycotting the US market in this case. Or maybe some moderation on the "boycott China because fuck them" stuff after sober reflection. Not hearing either of those.
    - staticautomatic 8y ago
      Although being equitable can be a form a fairness, not all fair things are equitable. In any event, I couldn't care less if it's unfair to China and I don't think anyone else should, either. These are separate problems you're deliberately conflating.
- mythrwy 8y ago
  A lot of people in the US are unfairly locked up no doubt, and there is likely racial disparity in locking people up. But it's not accurate to imply 2.2 African Americans are locked up simply for being African American. A certain number (somewhere between 1 and however many people are locked up) of all races, are rightfully locked up because they have committed actual crimes. Like violent crimes, not dealing weed. TLDR: locking people up for theft or violence is not the same as locking people up for wearing beards or praying.
dang 8y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18095605 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18095605.

yourbandsucks 8y ago

You sure you're not bringing in a little nationalist bias there? Even if you want to constrain the subject to specifically "dealing with central asian muslim separatists over the last couple decades".. seems a little tough for an American to argue with a straight face. I appreciate the candor, though, so thanks. Nice to know the mental place this is coming from.

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trhownow929 8y ago

To put that number in perspective, the US has 2.2 million African Americans in “rehabilitation centres.”

fermienrico 8y ago
^ This is called “Whataboutism”. Stop it, please.
- yourbandsucks 8y ago
  No, it's not. God I wish John Oliver never did that episode. If you're singling out an entity as uniquely bad, and saying they should be treated in a unique way because of it, you have to justify that they're uniquely bad.
  - fermienrico 8y ago
    The problem is that hand wavy arguments that appear to be equivalent are are upon deeper inspection, not. But, by the time you dig and invest into clarifying the differences and nullifying the equivalence, you’ve already diverted from the original topic. This is why it is used by Politicians and shitty news channels, and this is why whataboutism needs to stop. Let’s focus objectively on the topic at hand. Furthermore, justification should be based on moral underpinnings, idealistic values, rule of law and societal norms. By pointing fingers at (what may not be true equivalence), is a massive distraction. Stop it please.
    - yourbandsucks 8y ago
      The topic at hand is "fuck China specifically" in this subthread. I point out similar behavior among other world powers, raise the question of what's so specific, and you call it whataboutism. You stop it. I was arguing to the topic in good faith.
      - Larrikin 8y ago
        It's fundamentally whataboutism. How does Google or any big tech company relate to the majority of police abuses against black people. The abuses in the US are fundamentally unaccountable police and police departments out in the field committing crimes against people without a voice. They are not demanding data from tech companies to arrest and disappear them for thought crimes. Google and Facebook operating in the US has actually helped shed light on these crimes. They are two completely separate atrocities that are only discussed together to distract from one or the other depending on who is whatabouting.
staticautomatic 8y ago
Then we can also say fuck the US justice system specifically. There's no reason to pretend they're somehow mutually exclusive.
- yourbandsucks 8y ago
  Sure, but fairness would require a call for Google boycotting the US market in this case. Or maybe some moderation on the "boycott China because fuck them" stuff after sober reflection. Not hearing either of those.
  - staticautomatic 8y ago
    Although being equitable can be a form a fairness, not all fair things are equitable. In any event, I couldn't care less if it's unfair to China and I don't think anyone else should, either. These are separate problems you're deliberately conflating.
mythrwy 8y ago
A lot of people in the US are unfairly locked up no doubt, and there is likely racial disparity in locking people up. But it's not accurate to imply 2.2 African Americans are locked up simply for being African American. A certain number (somewhere between 1 and however many people are locked up) of all races, are rightfully locked up because they have committed actual crimes. Like violent crimes, not dealing weed. TLDR: locking people up for theft or violence is not the same as locking people up for wearing beards or praying.

dang 8y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18095605 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18095605.