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I live in Colorado. A couple of weeks before the midterms I'm going to get a packet in the mail containing my ballot, instructions for filling it out, a pamphl

by vec 8y ago

I live in Colorado. A couple of weeks before the midterms I'm going to get a packet in the mail containing my ballot, instructions for filling it out, a pamphlet where every candidate on the ballot gets a paragraph or two to make their case, and a prepaid return envelope. I fill out my ballot at my leisure, stuff it in the envelope, sign the envelope underneath the flap, and drop it in a mailbox. There's a receipt with an anonymous serial number in the packet that I can go online and use to verify my ballot has been received. If I'm worried about missing the deadline there are also dropboxes in most government buildings I can drop my ballot in up through the day of the election, along with a few traditional polling places open on election day. Voter turnout here is about twelve points above the national average.

nickik 8y ago
We do that in Switzerlamd as well. I have never voted by going to some place. Voter turnout is still not very high.
- eftychis 8y ago
  Hmm. I wonder why? Any ideas?
  - wizzairflyer 8y ago
    There's 4 voting sessions per year and, in my own opinion, about half of the topics being voted on are quite silly. This might induce some voting fatigue.
    - eftychis 8y ago
      Makes some sense.
jawilson2 8y ago
And in some states, like Florida, if you vote by mail it is 10x less likely to be counted.[1] Our democracy is broken, and the people capable of fixing it are actively incentivized to keep it broken. [1] https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article218654810.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-p...
- fortomorrow 8y ago
  The reason the majority of those ballots were rejected is because they didn't sign them.
- kbenson 8y ago
  > And in some states, like Florida, if you vote by mail it is 10x less likely to be counted The headline of that article is "If you vote by mail in Florida, it’s 10 times more likely that ballot won’t count". That's not equivalent to what you said. If there's a 99% chance your vote will count and 1% chance it won't, a 10 times more likely to not count changes that to a 90% will count/10% won't count chance. Using your wording, it would change it to a 9% will count/91% won't count chance. Those are vastly different things.
thatfrenchguy 8y ago
How do you know your ballot has not been changed ?
- vec 8y ago
  There's a line for a signature that the flap of the envelope ends up glued over the top of. There is no identifying information visible on the outside of a properly sealed envelope. The envelopes have to remain sealed until they're brought into the room with the election monitors to be counted. If the seal isn't intact or the envelope isn't signed underneath or the bar code under the flap doesn't match the one on the ballot then the ballot is considered spoiled. The actual ballots are wrapped in a "secrecy sleeve" so that the votes can't be seen without unfolding them, and the election monitors separate the envelopes with the signatures from the ballots before they begin counting, so the secret ballot is preserved. From that point forward they're processed just like any other paper ballots.
  - thatfrenchguy 8y ago
    But you’re still not there and cannot be there when they actually read the ballot...

by vec 8y ago

nickik 8y ago

We do that in Switzerlamd as well. I have never voted by going to some place. Voter turnout is still not very high.

eftychis 8y ago
Hmm. I wonder why? Any ideas?
- wizzairflyer 8y ago
  There's 4 voting sessions per year and, in my own opinion, about half of the topics being voted on are quite silly. This might induce some voting fatigue.
  - eftychis 8y ago
    Makes some sense.

jawilson2 8y ago

And in some states, like Florida, if you vote by mail it is 10x less likely to be counted.[1] Our democracy is broken, and the people capable of fixing it are actively incentivized to keep it broken. [1] https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article218654810.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-p...

fortomorrow 8y ago
The reason the majority of those ballots were rejected is because they didn't sign them.
kbenson 8y ago
> And in some states, like Florida, if you vote by mail it is 10x less likely to be counted The headline of that article is "If you vote by mail in Florida, it’s 10 times more likely that ballot won’t count". That's not equivalent to what you said. If there's a 99% chance your vote will count and 1% chance it won't, a 10 times more likely to not count changes that to a 90% will count/10% won't count chance. Using your wording, it would change it to a 9% will count/91% won't count chance. Those are vastly different things.

thatfrenchguy 8y ago

How do you know your ballot has not been changed ?

vec 8y ago
There's a line for a signature that the flap of the envelope ends up glued over the top of. There is no identifying information visible on the outside of a properly sealed envelope. The envelopes have to remain sealed until they're brought into the room with the election monitors to be counted. If the seal isn't intact or the envelope isn't signed underneath or the bar code under the flap doesn't match the one on the ballot then the ballot is considered spoiled. The actual ballots are wrapped in a "secrecy sleeve" so that the votes can't be seen without unfolding them, and the election monitors separate the envelopes with the signatures from the ballots before they begin counting, so the secret ballot is preserved. From that point forward they're processed just like any other paper ballots.
- thatfrenchguy 8y ago
  But you’re still not there and cannot be there when they actually read the ballot...