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I don't think it's fair to blame leave voters They actively chose something that you say was poorly defined but which was widely understood to be a very dramat

I don't think it's fair to blame leave voters They actively chose something that you say was poorly defined but which was widely understood to be a very dramatic and potentially dangerous shift for the country. If you can't blame them for picking a poorly defined option out of some jingoistic notion of what the UK should be, what can you blame anyone for?

7000skeletons 8y ago
You could probably blame the people responsible for the referendum in the first place, trying to use the notion of a Brexit vote as some sort of political brinkmanship game against the EU and then running for the hills when people didn't vote the way they expected them to. Like that David Cameron clown, for instance.
growlist 8y ago
> If you can't blame them for picking a poorly defined option out of some jingoistic notion of what the UK should be, what can you blame anyone for? How's the view up there on that high horse?
YouAreGreat 8y ago
That's like saying a woman can't leave an abusive marriage until she's secured a new husband.
contravariant 8y ago
You can criticise them for wanting to leave the EU for poorly justified reasons, however you can't really blame them for the execution.
- JumpCrisscross 8y ago
  > you can't really blame them for the execution I think one can. Britain is a democracy. An old one. If one votes for a dramatic departure from the status quo without asking how it will be executed, that's a failure of civic duty. Voters own a share in their democracies' successes and failures; economically, politically and morally.
zeveb 8y ago
Well, one might blame the EU for being so bad that a majority of the voters preferred the poorly-defined, widely-understood-to-be-potentially-dangerous option rather than remain. As an aside, I think terms like 'jingoistic' aren't helpful to discussion. I've never quite understood why it's jingoistic to prefer UK sovereignty but not jingoistic to prefer European sovereignty.
- petercooper 8y ago
  "Jingoistic" has a specific connotation of aggressive patriotism. The typical Remainer's level of support for the EU rarely approaches such a level, and tends to be based upon seeing membership of the EU as a benefit to their country (in a similar way to being a member of the UN, say) rather than a replacement for it.
Mrdarknezz 8y ago
The average person could not possibly make an informed decision in this referendum, because it affects every area of every part of the brittish society. On top of that it has been proven that the leave campaign lied and broke the law regarding funding.
collyw 8y ago
There was a big promise of 350 Million a week to the NHS. That seems like a pretty reasonable thing to vote for. Unfortunately it was backtracked on within hours of the result. Is that really democracy?
eudora 8y ago
You can blame the Murdoch press (and others) in the UK for constantly pushing the narrative that the EU is a corrupt bureaucracy making absurd laws and stealing your rights and money. I mean, can you believe this? https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1800/1*piGY6KAwYsDSweClCmHeBA.jpeg https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1800/1*piGY6KAwYsDSweClC... https://s-i.huffpost.com/gen/1521502/thumbs/o-SUN-FRONT-PAGE-570.jpg https://s-i.huffpost.com/gen/1521502/thumbs/o-SUN-FRONT-PAGE...

7000skeletons 8y ago

You could probably blame the people responsible for the referendum in the first place, trying to use the notion of a Brexit vote as some sort of political brinkmanship game against the EU and then running for the hills when people didn't vote the way they expected them to. Like that David Cameron clown, for instance.

growlist 8y ago

> If you can't blame them for picking a poorly defined option out of some jingoistic notion of what the UK should be, what can you blame anyone for? How's the view up there on that high horse?

YouAreGreat 8y ago

That's like saying a woman can't leave an abusive marriage until she's secured a new husband.

contravariant 8y ago

You can criticise them for wanting to leave the EU for poorly justified reasons, however you can't really blame them for the execution.

JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> you can't really blame them for the execution I think one can. Britain is a democracy. An old one. If one votes for a dramatic departure from the status quo without asking how it will be executed, that's a failure of civic duty. Voters own a share in their democracies' successes and failures; economically, politically and morally.

zeveb 8y ago

Well, one might blame the EU for being so bad that a majority of the voters preferred the poorly-defined, widely-understood-to-be-potentially-dangerous option rather than remain. As an aside, I think terms like 'jingoistic' aren't helpful to discussion. I've never quite understood why it's jingoistic to prefer UK sovereignty but not jingoistic to prefer European sovereignty.

petercooper 8y ago
"Jingoistic" has a specific connotation of aggressive patriotism. The typical Remainer's level of support for the EU rarely approaches such a level, and tends to be based upon seeing membership of the EU as a benefit to their country (in a similar way to being a member of the UN, say) rather than a replacement for it.

Mrdarknezz 8y ago

The average person could not possibly make an informed decision in this referendum, because it affects every area of every part of the brittish society. On top of that it has been proven that the leave campaign lied and broke the law regarding funding.

collyw 8y ago

There was a big promise of 350 Million a week to the NHS. That seems like a pretty reasonable thing to vote for. Unfortunately it was backtracked on within hours of the result. Is that really democracy?

eudora 8y ago

You can blame the Murdoch press (and others) in the UK for constantly pushing the narrative that the EU is a corrupt bureaucracy making absurd laws and stealing your rights and money. I mean, can you believe this? https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1800/1*piGY6KAwYsDSweClCmHeBA.jpeg https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1800/1*piGY6KAwYsDSweClC... https://s-i.huffpost.com/gen/1521502/thumbs/o-SUN-FRONT-PAGE-570.jpg https://s-i.huffpost.com/gen/1521502/thumbs/o-SUN-FRONT-PAGE...