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Am I overreacting by seriously considering starting the process of migrating from gmail? It's not this singular incident of course, but just the continued patt

Am I overreacting by seriously considering starting the process of migrating from gmail? It's not this singular incident of course, but just the continued pattern of behavior from Google for the last couple years. I really have lost all faith in them respecting their users.

ObsoleteNerd 8y ago
I did recently, and haven't missed it at all. Firefox, DDG, Fastmail, etc are all perfectly good enough and don't make me feel dirty.
nimchimpsky 8y ago
but their software is so slick.
newnewpdro 8y ago
No, but you are reacting a very late.
jhall1468 8y ago
What do you mean by respect? Your privacy? Move to Fastmail if that's what your after. You are using a free service, because you are the product. That's not about respect, it's about your (lack) of understanding of the business relationship you entered. If you aren't comfortable with that, you're going to have to pay actual money.
- the_snooze 8y ago
  What assurances do you have that those paid services are actually respecting your privacy? It wasn’t that long ago that we found out that telecom companies were selling fine location data of all their paying customers. The reality is that irresponsibility and disrespect for users are rampant in the tech world. That’s entirely companies’ doing.
  - ardy42 8y ago
    > What assurances do you have that those paid services are actually respecting your privacy? If you use a free service, you basically have assurances that they're not respecting your privacy. The probability of a paid service respecting your privacy is greater than zero, at least. Also, not all paid services are created equal. You still have to do more due diligence past just throwing money at someone who'll take it.
n42 8y ago
I did, and I found out it's actually not as hard as you would think. I think I even prefer FastMail's web client. Register your own domain, own the address, and then future migrations are way easier.
trolleyhacker 8y ago
ProtonMail (free/paid) and Runbox (paid only, but reasonable) are a couple of other options. There's also the option of running your own server, but it seems deliverability is an issue.
decentrality 8y ago
Apparently we're late to migrate, but I recently started the move to RainLoop: https://www.rainloop.net/ https://www.rainloop.net/ is actually much better software in my opinion, and is self-hosted unlike FastMail. Rainloop satisfies the need for polished, smooth, elegant, yet simple "feeling" interfaces like Gmail finally became. Handles multiple identities, multiple accounts, and contacts well; but no calendar. Way better than Zimbra webmail, though that does have Calendars. On my local machine, I still use RainLoop rather than a traditional email client, it's that good. ProtonMail, also mentioned, doesn't seem far off, but seems to lack the extra polish. It's in the neighborhood of RainLoop though, it would appear.
pvg 8y ago
What are you reacting to in this case? Gmail has always 'scraped' your email.
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olliej 8y ago
I dropped Gmail years ago, but mostly because my only real reason for still having a google account at all was reader. By that point gmail had just become my spam bin These days I host my own anyway, and have a blargh@host mail account I use to sign up for things (typically blargh+thewebstie@host so I can track who is selling email addresses)

ObsoleteNerd 8y ago

I did recently, and haven't missed it at all. Firefox, DDG, Fastmail, etc are all perfectly good enough and don't make me feel dirty.

nimchimpsky 8y ago

but their software is so slick.

newnewpdro 8y ago

No, but you are reacting a very late.

jhall1468 8y ago

What do you mean by respect? Your privacy? Move to Fastmail if that's what your after. You are using a free service, because you are the product. That's not about respect, it's about your (lack) of understanding of the business relationship you entered. If you aren't comfortable with that, you're going to have to pay actual money.

the_snooze 8y ago
What assurances do you have that those paid services are actually respecting your privacy? It wasn’t that long ago that we found out that telecom companies were selling fine location data of all their paying customers. The reality is that irresponsibility and disrespect for users are rampant in the tech world. That’s entirely companies’ doing.
- ardy42 8y ago
  > What assurances do you have that those paid services are actually respecting your privacy? If you use a free service, you basically have assurances that they're not respecting your privacy. The probability of a paid service respecting your privacy is greater than zero, at least. Also, not all paid services are created equal. You still have to do more due diligence past just throwing money at someone who'll take it.

n42 8y ago

I did, and I found out it's actually not as hard as you would think. I think I even prefer FastMail's web client. Register your own domain, own the address, and then future migrations are way easier.

trolleyhacker 8y ago

ProtonMail (free/paid) and Runbox (paid only, but reasonable) are a couple of other options. There's also the option of running your own server, but it seems deliverability is an issue.

decentrality 8y ago

Apparently we're late to migrate, but I recently started the move to RainLoop: https://www.rainloop.net/ https://www.rainloop.net/ is actually much better software in my opinion, and is self-hosted unlike FastMail. Rainloop satisfies the need for polished, smooth, elegant, yet simple "feeling" interfaces like Gmail finally became. Handles multiple identities, multiple accounts, and contacts well; but no calendar. Way better than Zimbra webmail, though that does have Calendars. On my local machine, I still use RainLoop rather than a traditional email client, it's that good. ProtonMail, also mentioned, doesn't seem far off, but seems to lack the extra polish. It's in the neighborhood of RainLoop though, it would appear.

pvg 8y ago

What are you reacting to in this case? Gmail has always 'scraped' your email.

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olliej 8y ago

I dropped Gmail years ago, but mostly because my only real reason for still having a google account at all was reader. By that point gmail had just become my spam bin These days I host my own anyway, and have a blargh@host mail account I use to sign up for things (typically blargh+thewebstie@host so I can track who is selling email addresses)